Talk:Screen Actors Guild/Archive 1

analyze
I would like to see a section analysing the benefits to producers and the detriments to artists.

By fixing the price a producer must pay for an actor, he may not hire as many actors for budget reasons. More actors would get work, but at this lower price.

Conversely, producers get a benefit from the union, because the union has culled the less talented or committed actors from the mass of actors who might want to work for that producer. The producer can choose from union actors, who as a rule are far better actors than the non-union folks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.205.224.10 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Name rules
Say something about the rules for screen names. --Error 03:34, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Non-Union
What does it mean if a production is "non-union"? It is not endorsed by SAG? Features non-SAG actors? What? Mucket 21:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Non-Union productions are films that have not signed the standard SAG agreement. A union film signs the SAG agreement, which grants the union a whole bunch of guarantees and creates liens against the production to ensure that the SAG rules are followed. Brian1975 01:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Mucket 03:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions

 * Move SAG Awards to a separate article
 * Check article for lines that are lifted verbatim off the sag.org website, I believe there are many such lines, as they read with a familiar ring
 * Add information about the significance of SAG membership to actors-- how necessary it is, and the popular (and real) perception of how difficult it is to obtain a SAG card. SAG 'cards' are not even mentioned in the article. Central and relevant information about what SAG is and what its overall significance to industry and acting community seems to be missing whereas more peripheral information such as its past history and numbers on dues/salary is highlighted instead Santaduck 02:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Add information on the strike of the summer of 1980, mentioned at 1980 in television. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 02:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't presently see any section at all about the SAG awards. Have I overlooked it? I've started many articles, but the ins and outs of awards-list articles are a bit out of my depth. Nonetheless, it would be good to have such an article, as watching last night's awards is what brought me to the SAG article in the first place. Lawikitejana 04:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

IATSE vs. SAG
On every movie I've seen that was a union project, I have seen the IATSE's logo (This picture made under the jurisdiciton of...). Can anybody tell me if these two are separate organizations, or if the SAG is involved when the IATSE's logo is shown? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brittany Ka (talk • contribs) 22:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC).


 * My understanding is that the IATSE is a large "parent" union to other smaller unions that organize "other" miscellaneous employees of theater and film, outside of actors, directors, and producers. It spans the US and Canada, and includes unions for production coordinators, scene artists, studio mechanics, and even theater ticket agents, along with many others. SAG has nothing to do with IATSE, but IATSE is rather another union whose members commonly work on most film and theater productions. Equazcion • argue/improves • 22:35, 10/14/2007

Predicted strike of 2008
This links to Hollywood film strike (2008), which is a redirect to the ongoing writers' guild strike. Should this section be rewritten to describe the current strike? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poobslag (talk • contribs) 22:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Should there be a page?
Should there be a page, or at least a section in this article, of current and past Presidents of the Screen Actors Guild? I was trying to find one online but so far havent come up with anything. Anyone? -R. fiend 18:52, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

does anyone know what format to use when you have an idea for a television show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.175.242.188 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 28 June 2005 (UTC)

How about a small reference to the Film Actors Guild, referenced in Team America: World Police — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.pietersen (talk • contribs) 5:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering if the voting in SAG is the same as in the oscars and/or Golden Globes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7oe (talk • contribs) 19:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Blacklist period; and more history needed
The blacklist section as written is strongly POV and devotes too great a proportion of the article to one matter 60 years in the past. Should be condensed and rendered more neutral. The article needs more discussion of such developments as residul rights, changes wrought by the end of the studio system, etc. 12.214.62.215 (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree with this, but in the opposite direction. ‘None of those blacklisted were proven to advocate overthrowing the government – most simply had Marxist or socialist views’ — actually, Marxism then and previously advocated overthrowing non-communist governments. 89.101.35.164 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC).

Merge
There does not need to be a separate article for the possible strike. The article on it should be merged since it can be covered in maybe 2 paragraphs. First, it did not start in 2008. Second, there is no strike right now. It's only a possible strike, one which many major actors oppose (which leads me to believe it won't happen). If no strike happens, the article will end up being deleted anyways. I could probably handle the merger myself, but the AFD just ended with no consensus (the votes were pretty evenly split between keep and delete). Merging would keep all the important info. Any support for merger?  TJ   Spyke   02:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Major Overhaul Required
As of today March 30, 2012 the Screen Actors Guild no longer exists as a union or a corporation, It has been merged into a new union and organization called SAG-AFTRA. I would like to propose that it be noted that this is no longer an active union and the information be kept for historical purposes and a new page be created called SAG-AFTRA. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 12:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

SAG-AFTRA → Screen Actors Guild – This article is not about the merged entity. It is entirely about the SAG. This article should be moved back to Screen Actors Guild, and a new article created for the merged entity. AFTRA is already maintained in this manner. To do anything else makes little sense. RGloucester (talk) 05:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Suppport revert the undiscussed move. A separate article can cover the merged entity. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support and create new article for new entity per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. New article for the new union with appropriate linkage/hats to its historical precedent organizations. Keep/maintain separate articles for the two parent groups to preserve record of organizations and of WP edits. Shearonink (talk) 15:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Criticism section needed
A criticism section is needed. It certainly reads like SAG member enthusiasts wrote it (which is likely true).

A point of interest the article should address is whether it's true that a movie studio (or production company, or any other company) who signs the SAG contract is contractually forbidden from hiring non-SAG actors.

Another interesting issue the article should contain is how some nonunion shops hire SAG artists under pseudonyms so the nonunion shop doesn't have to sign the SAG contract. Also of interest would be how a nonunion shop will work with a paymaster company or even create a shell company subsidiary that signs the SAG contract, so the nonunion shop doesn't have to (and get locked into SAG artists, as I understand). Tempshill (talk) 04:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I was definitely surprised that there is (still) no criticism section. This article definitely needs one. Fresheneesz (talk) 03:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

SAG
This statement is incorrect. "SAG claims exclusive jurisdiction over motion picture performances, and shares jurisdiction of radio, television, Internet, and other new media with its sister union AFTRA"

It should read: "SAG has exclusive jurisdiction over motion pictures, and scripted television shows. AFTRA has exclusive jurisdiction over radio, and live television shows. The jurisdictions were laid down by a NLRB ruling in 1951. NLRB rulings become Federal law. There never has been any shared jurisdiction between SAG and AFTRA, as claimed by some members for political reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.134.213 (talk) 09:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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 * Note: the section I removed was merged here in good faith in February 2012; it was not necessarily entirely a copyvio. Given that it was about a strike that never happened by a union that no longer exists, I removed it wholesale. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:50, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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Keye Luke
Recently reading about the actor Keye Luke who is probably best remembered for his role as Master Po in the 1970's tv series Kung Fu. Information from TCM and imdb along with other sources points to him being a founding member of the screen actors guild, but in this article he is not mentioned. If the information is true then obviously he should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dj..johnnyboy (talk • contribs) 10:29, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keye Luke joined the Guild within its first few years. According to SAG founding/history and Members 1935, the Guild was founded in 1933 and Mr. Luke didn't become a member until 1935. Shearonink (talk) 05:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Source for historic membership information
Source #10 is no longer present on the DOL website. There is seemingly no way to access the historic information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.27.221.175 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan
Head of the screen actor guld — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:A709:7300:553E:D38B:786B:52BA (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)