Talk:Scroll and Key/Archive 1

pranks
This section is too long by at least three-fifths. Shorter text length and a footnote would be great. I would like to hear feedback before I edit section.SLY111 (talk) 21:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)SLY111

The first footnote and "Inside Eli"
Given the insider-outside animus and fraternity that animated the founding of each of the landed Yale College societies, the Pundits lemonade stand in the courtyard of the Keys tomb is a stroke of American genius. I'd guess a Keys members arranged it...or the Pundits might had been tossed off the property - great gesture if this is true.

The "Inside Eli" reference is a bit misleading. The pamphlet is humorous rather than journalistic in tone and content; I'd guess Calvin Trillin and other members of Keys authored it, reading (and rereading and rerereading) the text. WHS and Bones take good shots from the authors.

I'd imagine a Keys guy (or gal) is an ideal, at least among the delegates that tapped the guy (or gal). 68.173.91.55 (talk) 16:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)SLY111

Early footnotes
My sister, a survivor of Chapin School, wondered what happened to footnotes 1 - 9?SLY111 (talk) 06:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)SLY111 ...Someone who has a vested interest in the presentation of the entry, it appears, should edit so the "References" are noted among the "Footnotes", accounting for footnotes 1 - 9.SLY111 (talk) 06:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)SLY111

Traditions II
See note below...the poppycock included in this section of an otherwise fine entry dismays me.SLY111 (talk) 06:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)SLY111

Traditions
This portion of entry must be footnoted expertly, or any liar might say anything about the beloved second society.SLY111 (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Sly 111

Untitled
This entry needs references for membership, akin to the entries for blank and blank and blank's blank.SLY111 (talk) 17:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)SLY111

Great to see some footnotes on KTA membership. SLY111 (talk) 15:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)SLY111

The CFR entry examples perfectly how to source (or footnote) membership. A close second is footnote 2 of the W.H.S. entry.SLY111 (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)SLY111

What proof is offered that the listed gentlemen and lady are indeed past members of Keys and past or current members of KTA? Without such evidence, the entry's Notable members section must be excised, the sooner the better.SLY111 (talk) 17:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)SLY111

Cornell 2010 did another wondrous job on behalf of the greatest fellowship tradition in the western world. ````SLY111

Again, the publicist at Covington and Burling and its counterpart at Weslesyan should cease the vandalism at this site. ````SLY111

The new "Notable" section might do well to copy the "Wolf's Head format" given it requires a brief explanatory bio. The "Covington and Burling" atty, for example, is a total bs entry without additional information, as was the "Wesleyan asst prof". SLY111

Excellent second photo of the Key's temple. SLY 111

I am dismayed at the accusation of "vandalism" when I submit that Scroll and Key, in a word, is the "snob" society at Yale. Scroll and Key has its place, with the Alsops and the others, announcing to the world that Keys is a Yale ideal made corporeal. Worse than "poppycock"....SLY111

The Nov 3 edition of the Wolf's Head entry articulates well the general idea that WHS stands in almost stark contrast to the elitism, social and otherwise, of Keys (and Bones, to a lesser extent). Almost any Yalie, junior year or longer in service, would agree with this assessment. Admittedly, it may not be gentlemanly to announce this truth, but.... SLY111

Why are so many "Notables" listed separately at base of page? Maynard Mack, D. Hanson -- subject of an excellent book by Calvin Trillin (from Kansas City) -- and any Auchincloss (the Mayflower, stupid, it's the Mayflower) should be included. And where are all the squash "Notables"?...SLY111

Glad to see the new NOTABLES section for the article. Where are all the "LeBouts", however? SLY111 19:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)SLY111

Check out the archives of the Yale Daily News if you want confirmation of membership. Or simply pull of the facts off of smokershistory.com. --Astorst (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Notable members
Hi there. I've recently overhauled the notable members section by:
 * turning the list into a sortable table
 * removing all unreferenced members
 * removing all members who don't have pages on Wikipedia, as notable has a distinct definition here. Once they have pages, I think they should be re-added to the list.

An anon IP has re-added most of the removed names, which has completely broken the table. I propose that they be removed again, as they are not 'notable' within the Wikipedia definition of the term. Any objections? [ roux  » x ] 23:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The names listed for juniors...
I bet is false, and a great example of vandalism.SLY111 (talk) 13:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)SLY111

Recent pranks issue
One of the recent pranks is listed as having taken place on March 22, 2013. This is clearly incorrect, since that date has not occurred yet. I will remove all information about that prank until someone provides an accurate date. Alexroller (talk) 19:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I just changed the date. Alexroller (talk) 19:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Wealthiest?
Considering they must compete with Skull and Bones for the title, calling Scroll and Key "the wealthiest" secret society at Yale is a stretch that needs references. Neither of the two provided off any substantiation of that claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.196.13.86 (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Mark Twain
I suggest his mention be moved to MEMBERSHIP.SLY111

C.S.P.
I have been advised that C.S.P. represents, in English from the Latin, COLLEGE OF THE SACRED PONTIFFS. The meaning of the other "magical letters" was denied me by my buddy. Seek confirming footnote or a member sharing the Masonic-like knowledge before editing entry. See =pranks=.65.88.88.63 (talk) 18:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)SLY111 C.C.J. translates COLLEGE KEEPS JUPITER or COLLEGE KEEPS COMPANY WITH JUPITER. SKY may be substituted for JUPITER.