Talk:Scrooge (1970 film)

No credits?
I've seen the "complete" version a couple of times recently on Turner Classic Movies and am surprised to see there are no credits after the "Merry Christmas" final shot. There's only a very crude, black-and-white title card that looks like this:

[Line of asterisks]

THE END

[Line of asterisks]

(Sorry, I tried to write it the way it looks in the film and Wikipedia keeps reading it as code) Does anyone know whether there were at one time proper credits at the end of this film? --Pergish1 (talk) 19:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I am old enough to have seen this in the theater back in 1970 and I can tell you that there weren't any credits after the "The End" title card. To the best of my knowledge neither TV airings, VHS or DVD ever had end creditws for this film. This was not uncommon back in that era. You will find that until the late 70's and 80's most films had all of their credits at the start of the film - notable exceptions were Citizen Kane and 2001: A Space Odyssey. It wasn't until the first Star Wars film in 77 that the credits began their migration to the end of the film. Of course up until then, some films did give a cast list at the end of a film but that was up to the whims of the studios. I think that you might find that just as many films did not have end credits as those that did. I found it a bit frustrating to not have this list in the years before IMDb but far more frustrating that most commercial TV showings was the scene in hell being cut. Thanks to VHS and DVD for restoring it. I know that it wasn't in the Dickens story but it did restore the "dead as a coffin nail line" which is one of my favorites from the book. MarnetteD | Talk 19:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Interestingly, the DVD of Scrooge includes both an overture and a closing theme (an instrumental of "Thank you very much"), which appear to date from the same era as the film, which are obviously never shown on TV airings. I suspect that when this was shown theatrically, these would have perhaps bookended it as the lights went up, so people would have walked out to music, rather than walk out all over the credits as they always seem to now... Of course I wasn't around in 1970 to know for sure! Rob (talk) 20:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You are correct about that Rob. This was, partly, a holdover from what was called the "roadshow" style of releasing films that was prevalent in the late 40's thru the late 60's. These attempted to make a films showing in a city a big production to try and get people away from that new fangled thing called a TV. These often included an intermission with its own music. Scrooge and Paint Your Wagon (late 69 release) are among the last ones that I can remember doing this though there may have been others. MarnetteD | Talk 21:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Scene edited…
In re: the assertion that, concerning the scene in Hell, This scene is often edited or removed from television airings - surely this needs context and citation? How often, and where, is this scene not shown? It needs to have evidence that this isn’t just the custom and practice of one network in one country at one particular time. It’s certainly shown on British TV (although, again, I can’t say this is always the case). 86.147.55.230 (talk) 14:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I never saw the Hell scene when it was shown on television here in NC back in the 1980s. --Khajidha (talk) 16:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)