Talk:Scrooged

Bill Murray's pay
I remember hearing that Bill Murray was upset because he wasn't paid much for this film and it carried over into Ghostbusters 2, there was some kind of dispute, anyone know anything about it? The snare (talk) 20:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Trivia items
I have integrated many of the trivia items and deleted a few very minor ones. If anyone wants to try to integrate any of these remaining 4, they are welcome. Invertzoo (talk) 13:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The film's closing theme song, "Put a Little Love in Your Heart", written in 1968 by Jackie DeShannon, was performed by Al Green with Annie Lennox.
 * The legend "Dick + Lauren" can be seen "carved" into a tree as part of the set decoration for the 1971 Frisbee the Dog children's show. This is a reference to the marriage of director Richard Donner and his wife, producer Lauren Schuler-Donner.
 * Composer Danny Elfman's score was extensively edited and dialed down in the final release, and left off the resulting soundtrack album entirely. An eight-minute suite from the film is available as part of his Music for a Darkened Theatre compilation. In the liner notes for the album, Elfman described the score as "one of life's bitter pills".
 * A 3D Paramount Pictures logo was introduced at the beginning of this film but wasn't seen in future Paramount Pictures releases. However, other alterations of the famous Paramount logo can be seen in Raiders of the Lost Ark and Coming To America.

Character comparisons
I removed the following from the article and bring it here for discussion:


 * Most of the characters in the movie represent characters in Dickens' A Christmas Carol. Frank Cross is Ebenezer Scrooge and his brother James is Scrooge's nephew Fred. Elliot Loudermilk (Bobcat Goldthwait) is a timid yesman who is fired, and transforms into a deranged alcoholic. He represents the orphan boy that Scrooge accosts early in the story, then solicits help from to spread good cheer once he reforms. Frank's assistant Grace represents Bob Cratchit. Grace's son, who is withdrawn/autistic, is Tiny Tim. Lew Hayward, Frank's former boss, is Jacob Marley. Herman and his fellow indigents are the "portly gentlemen" who are collecting for charity and are refused financial help. Claire is Scrooge's former fiancée, Belle. The three ghosts have the same names. The Ghost of Christmas Past is a stereotypical loudmouthed New York cab driver with a Staten Island accent. The Ghost of Christmas Future appears as the grim reaper, with a TV screen for a face. The Ghost of Christmas Present is a campier female version of the ghost in the original story with a penchant for violence. There are other key characters that are in Scrooged but do not really represent anyone in the original story, such as Preston Rhinelander (Robert Mitchum), CEO of the company that owns Frank's network. He continually makes inane requests, such as including more household pets on Television broadcasts. Brice Cummings (John Glover), who also has no counterpart in the original story, is Frank's slimy, opportunistic assistant who is hired by Rhinelander (to Frank's dismay) and is after Frank's job.

This is entirely OR and, thus, is not acceptable. Many of these comparisons and parallels are probably correct, and intentional, but this is a lot of information to have in the article with no references. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 04:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

German title not relevant?
Why is the German title not relevant next to all the titles in other languages, with another reference to the fact they all relate to "ghosts" in order to market the film in relation to Ghostbusters? It was also called "unsourced" by the remover. None of the other titles is sourced, and if you want a source for this one, just look at the German version of this article, which also mentions that its German title is a quote from Goethe's The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Also see the linked article about Goethe's poem which contains the fact that the phrase "die Geister, die ich rief" from it, used as the German title for Scrooged, has since Goethe's days passed into common usage in German. --79.193.42.138 (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Length of plot summary
It was 814 words. Now attempting to get it down to under 700 words. Invertzoo (talk) 13:17, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Update: Now it is 635 words. Invertzoo (talk) 13:32, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Cast images
How are images of the two of the actors, from 30 years after the film was released, relevant? How do they illustrate the subject of the article? I'd really like to know. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 16:08, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * They're pictures of two main cast members to help illustrate the article. Like a thousand other articles. I like working with you Jacobite but I'm getting pretty fed up with your attitude regarding "my way or the highway". Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 16:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't say 100% if they're needed, but they are free content that can be used to improve the visuals of this article which is image-lite. And we're unfortunate that this film was made before ready access to digital photograhy and photosharing that most modern films have at their release; we can't expect free images of the actors at the time the film was released; photos today are all we have. So if this page is aching for images if it goes to GA/FA, there's no issue with using those images to help make it visually more appealing. --M asem (t) 16:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't find them illustrative of much of anything other than the actors have aged. I'm not so opposed that I'll remove them, but I really don't think they're all that useful.  As for my attitude,, I'm sorry you see it that way, but that's never been my thinking, not since the time I started here.  If that's how it comes across, I really am sorry. --- The Old Jacobite The '45 00:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As Masem said, contemporary images aren't available, or if they are they aren't available for free use. Occasionally those photos do exist and I add them, then people repeatedly replace them with more updated images for some reason, so even if I added contemporary images it wouldn't necessary last. I'd also argue that the images, while more recent, are fairly reflective of how both looked at the time, both have aged pretty well. Articles that are just blocks of text or lists are not very aesthetically pleasing or as attractive to some readers so having images to illustrate something or enhance an area is not a negative, and here, alongside the poster, we have three primary cast members for people to identify their characters/actors without going to a secondary article and it enhances the layout of the article from an aesthetic standpoint. It's not a guideline to have them, but it's not a guideline not to have them either. As for your attitude, I may have used the wrong term there and I apologise. I just know that you removed cast content at Scarface and when I put it back you reverted me, and I let it go as I did not want to get into a conflict with you, but then doing it at Die Hard and here just rubbed me the wrong way. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 10:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)