Talk:Scud missile

Discrepancy
In the article it says:

The Iraqi modifications increased both range and inaccuracy.

Do we mean this did or did not accuracy increase?


 * read the rest of the article again, and you'll know that INaccuracy increased indeed. When I first read this, I found this a hilarious way of expressing things, although arguably not the most clear....

Someone stated "This article should be merged with R-1 rocket". I dis-agree, even this page says the SS-1 was based upon lessons learned from the R-1 program. Why should they be merged?

I agree with the last post here. I see no reason this page should be merged with R-1 rocket

87.246.23.1 has removed Bulgaria from the list of countries possessing Scuds. I have reverted that since as far as I can tell they still had them recently. Is there any evidence to the contrary? --xyzzy_n 15:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

War of Two cities reference
In the article it is stated: "in response to Iranian missile strikes against Baghdad, in response Iraq fired 190 Scud missiles at Iranian cities including Tehran"

However the article on the Iran-Iraq War has no mention of this; is it possible to verify this fact - if true, thenthe Iran Iraq War article should be updated and a reference provided; if not this article should be updated. Lee.cook 04:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * There is mention of missile bombing in that article. Anyway, I’ve added a reference; it’s far from perfect (talking only about Tehran and 160 missiles), but at least it documents something quite similar to what the article claims. I’ll defer finding a better reference to the experts. —xyzzyn 15:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Changed Pennsylvania Nationol Guard Barracks to United States Army Barracks. It was not a national guard barracks and the soliders were Army Reservists not Guardsmen, from Pennsylvania--216.52.73.254 18:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Patriot missile
Critics are correct in saying the Patriot missiles didn't hit Scud missiles during the Gulf War. That version of the Patriot was NOT designed as a hit to kill weapon but was a proximity kill anti-aircraft missile modified for defeating short to medium range ballistic missiles. The shrapnel and shockwave caused damage to the Scuds which made them break apart in flight. The US barracks was hit by a Scud that more than one Patriot battery obtained a radar lock on, but due to confusion over which battery had priority, none fired and the Scud hit its target. Patriot operations were then changed so that all batteries that obtained a lock on a Scud could fire independently.

Newer variants of the Patriot are hit to kill designs and performed well VS the Scuds launched by Iraq in 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.136.145.217 (talk • contribs)

Trivia
In view of Wikipeda's current policy on Trivia and x in Popular Culture-type sections, I'm not sure any mention of an Australian tennis player is warranted here, irrespective of how he may have acquired his nickname.

In fact, I would propose deleting this Trivia section outright. – Adammgriggs 22:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Persian Gulf War (disam)
I am disambiguating links for Persian Gulf War. The section Scud uses the link to Persian Gulf War, but I cannot tell which Persian Gulf War it refers to. Please fix this link, or tell me which war it refers to and I can fix the link myself. Thank you. Macduffman (talk) 21:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * An IP changed all instances of "Gulf war" to "Persian gulf war". For clarity and consistency, i reverted that edit. All references are to the Gulf War. --Raoulduke47 (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Macduffman (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Pakistan dose not use Scuds
Pakistan has never used Scuds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparten (talk • contribs) 06:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Chugging
This article mentions chugging, but doesn't explain what it means. It is a technical term for bad behavior of rockets? wiktionary refers to things like the noises made by a labouring engine, but it is not clear why exactly that is bad for rockets. It would probably be best to have a definition of the term or use a different expression. Tweisbach (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hezbollah already added
and the scuds were given to Hezbollah, not the Lebanese military. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"Scud Attacks" section
The "Scud Attacks" section is disorganized and too focused around a single Patriot missile timing issue. Most of it is a quotation from an original research paper. Can we trim this section to focus on scud attacks and just mention the Patriot missile event? (Community editor (talk) 17:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC))

Why was it named Scud?
The article right now says that NATO named it Scud, but doesn't explain how they came up with that word. Was it just a random combination of letters? 207.215.78.126 (talk) 19:51, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a Scud disambiguation page with a bunch of "Scuds" that probably predate the missile, I'm guessing it was probably named after the shrimp-like creature. But speaking of which, why is this article named "Scud"? There's a whole bunch of articles on Russian missiles that use their Russian names rather than their NATO codenames (for example, "R-73" rather than "AA-11 Archer"). &mdash;Masterblooregard (talk) 06:12, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Is Vietnam a current operator or a former operator?
Vietnam is currently listed as a current operator and a former operator of Scuds. I would change this myself but the Internet Archive (from which the data is sourced) is switching between undergoing maintenance and presenting a 504 error.

Falklands War
Surely the West was first made aware of SCUDs after Argentina used them against the British in 1982? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:C119:4C00:6089:BB76:5940:8A6D (talk) 01:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

External links modified
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Requested move 17 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Mahveotm (talk) 07:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Scud → Scud (missile family) – There are multiple rockets under the reporting name 'Scud,' so this is WP:COMMONNAME but I think fails the precision requirement as it does not refer to a single missile but a family/series of sometimes quite disparate models/variants. A Scud could refer to an R-11, R-17, Hwasong-6, Qiam-1, etc, and Scuds could refer to multiple R-11, R-17, Hwasong-6, Qiam-1 or all versions of the Scud family. The Redstone articles are arranged a similar way, with Redstone (rocket family) describing the versions, relationships, and a brief usage, then individual pages for the PGM-11 Redstone, Mercury-Redstone Launch Vehicle, and Jupiter-C. A counter-example however is the Agni (missile) which then uses Agni I, Agni II, etc. for more precision. Kivaan (talk) 01:39, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I tried moving the page once since the documentation was unclear on the need for discussion, and am still trying something new with all this...hopefully I've hit the proper method this time. Kivaan (talk) 01:39, 17 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose – I might agree that the missile family is not primarytopic for Scud, but I'd rather see the more common natural disambig Scud missile used as title, even though it's a family. Dicklyon (talk) 06:52, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No other obvious WP:PRIMARYTOPIC that would merit a disambiguation.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The missiles are the clear primary topic and this article is the best one to have that single name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


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Map with Scud operators in blue and former operators in red
On the map, Western Germany is coloured red, but to the best of my knowledge they never operated Scuds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.86.20.136 (talk) 03:52, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Iraq 2003 scud launches at Kuwait
Prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003 there were scuds launched by Iraq at Kuwait and I believe Israel. I was in Kuwait SW of Ali Al Salem Air Base during these launches. I believe one hit a closed mall or movie theater in Kuwait City and another was taken down by Patriot missiles over Ali Al Salem Air Base. There were also other launches that I have no first hand knowledge of.

I see no mention of these 2003 launches in the article and my first hand experience does not count as a source. Does anyone have access to source material?Plmerry (talk) 19:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 1 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure)  ~SS49~   {talk}  02:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Scud → Scud missile – Why aren't we using the WP:COMMONNAME of this missile? This thing is univerally called a "Scud missile" in English, as book usage stats verify. "Scud" alone is concise, but not very recognizable, which is what commonname is for. Dicklyon (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 20:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Scud" became extremely recognisable during the Gulf War due to its usage in the media. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Gulf War was 30 years ago. How many WP readers are likely to have been reading news back then?  Way less than half, I'd guess.  I was, but what I remember is "Scud missile", never Scud alone. Dicklyon (talk) 16:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that Wikipedia was required to only cater to younger readers! Maybe this is a WP:ENGVAR issue, since the British media commonly called them Scuds. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My point was that your rationale catered only to older readers. The more complete name would be great for all. Dicklyon (talk) 19:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The proposed title is the common name.  Calidum   17:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - more recognizable as such, common name Red   Slash  04:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and discussion. Extending the name then gives an adequate descriptor. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


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