Talk:Sea-Monkeys/Archives/2023/December

Hyphenation
The company seems to use the hyphen consistently (at least now). -- Toby Bartels 17:40, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Does anyone remember the tv series "The Amazing Live Sea Monkeys"? Well, I made a page about it (hopefully it hasn't already been done but i searched for it...) maybe up the top of this page i could give a link to people searching for the tv show? if this is okay?

I would like to see an article on Stellar's Sea Monkey. Georg Stellar saw (and, I think, sketched) a creature he called the Sea Monkey during his arctic trips. Exactly one mention of it on the web. Curious. I don't know anything about it other than that.


 * Don't you mean the Stellar Sea Cow? Lance Tyrell 80.43.23.223 (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

marketing and plagiarism
this "article" is composed almost entirely of plargiarized marketing material, and is almost entirely devoid of information relevant to sea monkeys. i think this is a problem.

This page is not only problematic, it is completely useless...

I agree
It's been flagged for reading like an advertisement. Someone really should rework this entire thing.

Definately needs a thorough cleaning
I aggree, the article is a rip-off from the advertisement. I have already added critical comments. I would rather prefer to shorten the article. Remove the marketing stuff and rather focus on the basic things that SeaMonkey are: an instant life kit. I think it would be best to put all gadget-like-additions on one pile and put something in like: A whole range of accessoires and tanks are offered, like... (summary) So I would like to rework the article to what Sea-Monkeys are and what they are not. Would any of you aggree with such complete rework?
 * Definately agree. — mæstro t/c, 09:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Reworked the page somewhat (81.11.226.19 in history)
I removed all non-factual info such as "The Sea-Monkeys play in excitement..." and that sort of nonsense. I also rearranged the tanks/packages/... to basic_packages/additional_packages/tanks/... I'm still not sure if all the fancy_stuff_info should be kept as elaborate as it is at the moment, but I leave that to others to decide.

20:22, 8 January 2006 81.11.226.19 Stijn

I did a little cleaning up
I don't really know or care much about Sea Monkeys, but I've done some cleaning up here. The entire equipment section was useless so I just got rid of it. A number of the external links weren't really appropriate either - the link to the band should be on the band's article, if they are important enough to warrant one. E-CBD 02:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)E-CBD

I agree with the clean-up and removal of the marketing stuff. --Stijn Ghesquiere 09:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I went through and removed the comments about the cruelty of the various "toys". I don't disagre that they are probably cruel, but the comments were not presented in a nonbiased way. Someone needs to present it in a more professional manor. --ScooterSES 16:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

It's too bad that deleting the offending parts was favored over tweaking them. When the amazing thing about Sea Monkeys is their fantastical marketing campaign for shrimp in plastic tubes, an equipment section can further illustrate the absurd depths of Sea Monkey propaganda. Wikipedia benefits by clearly delineating the boundary between marketing claims and fact, but also suffers by simply deleting ad-resembling material. -- Anonymous 20:37, 20 March 2006 (EST)


 * The article as it stands now, already describes the clever marketing of the product. The "equipment section" is plainly unimportant. If the idea is to illustrate the "mass marketing propanganda", a section on "Marketing campaign" will do it. Having a list of equipments and what they do won't. -- Dodo bird 07:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed advertisement notice
I removed the "reads like an advertisement" notice because I think it's OK now. I didn't find the article to be promotional as it stands. discospinster 16:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Packet content
Is the long list of description for each packet content necessary? It seems to contradict the section under the "Commercial kit availability"

From "Commercial kit availability":
 * Basically, one adds a 'purifier package' on day one. However, the user is unaware that this package already contains eggs in addition to the salt. At day two, one adds the 'instant eggs package', containing epsom salts, borax and soda, in addition to eggs, yeast, and a blue dye.

I think the article stands well without the detailed explanation, but I'll leave it as it is for now. -- Dodo bird 05:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Marketing lies
What I'd like to know is HOW they got away with what amounted to blatant lies. Those drawings are nothing like what you actually get - what laws wrt advertising were in place in the US in the 70s? Yes, it's been 25 years, I should let it rest... Kisch 03:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * They were put there as a marketing tool so kids would buy them that technique is not illegal.


 * So you think that legality is the most we should expect of a commercial organisation? Surely that is the very least we should expect. Making money out of our society is a great privilege, not a right bestowed for merely abiding by the law.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.60.15 (talk) 21:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, when I was a kid I actually read the ad carefully, and it explicitly says that the caricatures are "not intended to depict Artemia Salina." Which I'd kind of guessed just from observing that the Mommy Sea-Monkey was shown to wear bows and lipstick.  171.66.216.218 21:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Article Errors
The following text was added to the main article - since they are valid observations, I have moved it here for discussion and action. Kuru  talk  03:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Dear Editor:


 * There are several errors in your article.


 * 1) The New World Artemia species (A. franciscana and A. persimilis) do not produce parthenogenetically. The old world species of Artemia are divided into two groups. The bisexual species (A. salina = A. tunisiana?, A. urmiana, A. sinica, etc.) do not reproduce parthenogenetically. The parthenogenetic populations either produce no males, or rare males. These males do not seem to contribute to the population, but this is not certain. The taxonomic assignment of the parthenogenetic populations as "A. parthenogenetica"is disputed by many, since the modifications to their meiotic mechanisms and allele frequencies vary considerably.


 * 2) Although there are a few instances where parthenogenetic and bisexual populations of Artemia inhabit the same saltern, they do not interbreed. We know this because their genic make up is different.


 * 3) Sexually reproducing Artemia females must mate each time if the new batch of eggs are to become embryos. (There is no sperm storage in Artemia the way there is in insects). If the females fail to mate, no young are produced.


 * 4) Sea monkeys are not hybrids. They are simply commercialized regular Artemia.


 * Richard D. Squire, Ph.D., Department of Biology, University of Puerto Rico - Mayaguez. rsquire@uprm.edu I have been doing Artemia research since 1964.


 * This should be taken due note of, incorporated (in shorthand - 1 to 3 are basically the reason for 4) into the article. And in the Artemia article also. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone has vandalized this page in a major way. It's now really useless, and sort of offensive.

Sea Monkey Would SOO Beat A Shark!x

commercial kit availability
"As of 2005, there are even "Sea-Monkeys" themed slot machines. Sea-Monkeys are sometimes nicknamed "salty simians"."

Does this fact really need to be listed under this heading? It doesn't really fit.

size?
Neither this article nor the one for the animal itself give any hint as to how big an adult Sea-Monkey is. Anyone who's ever seen a farm can add this pertinent info... thx! Potatoswatter 15:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Appearances in other media
Surely none of the following is in the least encyclopaedic? Something being mentioned once on TV is not in itself important. That Sea-Monnkeys have a place in the popular consciousness (in the US at least) might be worth mentioning, but this vast list of meaningless drivel is not. --Stemonitis 00:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In a 1994 episode of Space Ghost Coast to Coast, Space Ghost can be heard putting together a sea monkey kit, adding a super vitamin into the process. As a result, his interview with "Weird Al" Yankovic is cut short by a colossal brine shrimp Space Ghost has named Banjo, intent on destroying the set.
 * The Internet celebrity known as Lemon Demon made a song about Sea Monkeys called "Dead Sea Monkeys".
 * One episode of Comedy Central's Man Show featuring the Wheel of Destiny game included a chance of the unlucky contestant drinking a beer mug full of Sea Monkeys.
 * The popular animated TV show South Park has an episode which revolves around "Sea People". In the Season 6 episode "The Simpsons Already Did It", the main characters are lured in by a "Sea Monkey"-like print ad promising a virtual civilization in their fishtank. The "people" turn out to be regular brine shrimp. However, it is discovered that they actually form a "Sea-City" when mixed with human semen.
 * In the film Amos & Andrew, Nicolas Cage as Amos, the product of a dysfunctional family, says that he sent off for a sea monkey kit as a boy because he envied the happy family life of the little 'people' in the illustration.
 * In the Family Guy episode "Let's Go to the Hop", Chris Griffin's Sea Monkeys are portrayed as a middle class family sitting down to dinner. This pokes fun at the original packaging of Sea Monkeys, which represented them as "little aquatic people".
 * The Amazing Live Sea Monkeys was a live-action TV series that aired in 1992. The plot revolved around three Sea Monkeys who were grown to a human size by a mad professor.
 * Sea-monkeys are mentioned by Dory in the animated movie Finding Nemo.
 * In episode 5.46 "Scythe for Sale" of The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, Billy wanted to buy "Sea Critters" after he saw an advertisement advertising them, but he didn't have enough money. He then puts on a yard sale.
 * The adventure game Space Quest V features "Space Monkeys".
 * The movie Superman Returns involved crystals that grew in water, which a character described as "just like Sea Monkeys." This may have also been a callback to Superman comics containing Sea Monkey advertisements.
 * The Pixies feature a song on their album Trompe le Monde called "Palace of the Brine," which is about brine shimp in the Great Salt Lake; it features the lines "I hear the droning / in the shrine / of the Sea Monkey."
 * Tea Leaf Green, a rock and roll band from San Francisco, CA, have songs called "Sea Monkey's" and "Flight of the Sea Monkeys"
 * The song "Three Point One Four", from the Bloodhound Gang, contains the line "So my love for her died quicker than a batch of Sea Monkeys".
 * In an episode of Rugrats (Beach Blanket Babies), the characters spend a day at the beach freeing their pet Sea-Monkeys.
 * In American Dad (episode "Finances With Wolves"), Roger the Alien hatches Sea Monkeys.
 * In 2006, sea-monkeys feature as Tori Spelling's favourite pets in the first episode of VH1 comedy, So NoTORIous.
 * In 2006, a television commercial for the Dodge Nitro showed a brief scene containing a humanoid representation of Sea-Monkeys as seen in comic book advertisements.
 * In an episode of 8 Simple Rules CJ bought his Grandad some sea-monkeys because "pets make old people live longer."
 * In 2006, a television commercial for Dreamworld newest water park WhiteWater World features two dogs testing scale models of new water rides on Sea-Monkeys claiming "You can hear their little screams."
 * In the tv show My Wife and Kids Michael commonly mentions the fact that he bagan business by growing and selling Sea-Monkeys.


 * If the article were more fully developed (which it probably never will be) this would be okay as a ==In popular culture== section, but it's a dreadful idea to have half or more of an article's length be such a list (I think the policypage link against over use of lists is WP:LIST; see also WP:TRIV - while this is not a ==Trivia== section per se, the rationale against "padding" and article with such stuff to make it not look like the stub that it is holds also for "padding" articles with excessive popcult material just to make it look more comprehensive than it is in reality. So, just archive this in talk; if some day we have a 25K-or-so sourced article on Sea Monkeys as an actual marketing phenomenon (not organism), then (and only then) a popcult section might be in order. — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 16:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've readded a reference to the television program, which was largely based upon the product. Dekimasu よ! 10:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

"Hybrid" nonsensicalness
Both this article and the brine shrimp piece declared this variety of fairy shrimp to be a "hybrid" of one variety. This is nonsensical b.s. It's like declaring a meal a "combination of celery". I've fixed this, and please be on the lookout for more gibberish of this sort being reinserted. &mdash; SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;contrib&#93; ツ 08:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You may want to polish up your knowledge of biological nomenclature. Namely, see variety (botany) (and why we don't have nor ever should have variety (zoology)), species, subspecies, breed, and hybrid. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You missed my point. You can't have a "hybrid" of only one thing. A hybrid is the result of combining multiple different genomes. I.e., this is a grammatical issue, not a science one. —  SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 22:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Why can't a colony survive indefinately?
It says in the article that a sea monkey colony can survive "up to 2 years." Why? I'd expect that they can live indefinately in the ocean or seas, so why can they only live for up to 2 years when kept in a small container and given food and oxygen? Kevin 16:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly from resource depletion and slow rise in toxicity of their environment, even with (or even in part because of - think chlorine...) water changes. Experienced aquarists know how hard it can be to maintain a long-term aquatic environment even with very expensive filtration equipment, frequent water testing and (pH, salinity, dechlorination, etc., etc., etc.) adjustment, addition of essential minerals, a carefully maintained biosphere of micro-organisms breaking down wastes, and so forth.  $10 Sea-Monkey kits get none of this treatment at all.  Obviously, under the right conditions they can be keep breeding generation after generation, indefinitely, or there would not be any Sea-Monkeys available in 2007.  :-)  —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 14:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * PS: This is a great example of why this article needs to be merged into Brine shrimp, as the bulk of this article is biological, but is incomplete and misleading: Brine shrimp do not live in oceans or seas at all! — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 16:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should be left a seperate article because of the information on its history as a novelty pet. I wouldn't argue against the information on the species being replaced with a link to the brine shrimp article though.

Merge
Per WP:MERGE, the merger is being discussed at the target article's talk page: Talk:Brine shrimp/Archives/2023/December.

Pictures
were is my sea monkey pictures —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.97.78.41 (talk) 14:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What Sea-Monkey pictures? —  SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 22:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

What?
"however in Massachusetts there is a 10 year old sea-monkey, Eddy, who is still alive and loving life."

You've got to be kidding me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JDS2005 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

He may very well have been kidding, but that has to be one of the most awesome sentences I've ever read in my life. And I am very much not kidding.

nyos
I am unable to find any indication that this "taxon" has any standing in biological nomenclature. Have corrected, but needs overhaul. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC) Sea Monkeys Rock!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.104.157.19 (talk) 00:24, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Artemia NYOS
Partially unrelated, but a new page for the creatures themselves would be nice. Artemia NYOS needs a page rather than about the product as a whole. PaentWithFire (talk) 07:55, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to have a few generations?
Can you breed those shrimps on your own once you have some hatched in your tank or would you have to buy new eggs each time they die? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.251.26.245 (talk) 18:42, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

In pop culture
Sea chimps are part of the story in season 2, episode 21 of the tv series Bones. --31.45.79.44 (talk) 04:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Sea-Monkeys are the topic of the second segment of the Rugrats episode "No Bones About It/ Beach Blanket Babies". Prokter21 (talk) 00:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Invented?
It may someday be possible to "invent" a new life form, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't possible when brine shrimp were first discovered. I have changed von Braunhut's designation from "inventor" to "discoverer". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * He invented the marketed product, which consists of some life forms, as well as some packaging. Moreover, there is no template field " ", so your change merely deleted the information from the infobox, rather than making the change you seem to have intended. --Stemonitis (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Lowercase v at start of sentence
Twice in the same paragraph (in the History section) sentences start with lowercase v. Is this normal? Lowercase within sentences makes sense but at the start just looks wrong to me. Oberbahnhof (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC) Oberbahnhof (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Word Choice: "Developed" vs. "Invented"
"Invented" is a poor choice of word when describing a marketing process that relies solely on an organism's naturally occurring biological functions. Even if Harold von Braunhut was the first to notice this behavior (which I assume he wasn't), the word you would use would be "discovered", not "invented".

I think all occurrences of "invented" should be changed to "developed". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.192.101 (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Lifespan
The article mentions their short lifespan, but I cannot see that it says what is their lifespan. -- Beardo (talk) 19:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Definately
Why do so many people spell definitely wrong on this talk page?!

Big
I am a where they can grow very big if you add that to the website 94.5.144.60 (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Sea monkey food
I need sea monkey food be for they d I e 2601:196:17F:8210:15AA:7EEE:9B2B:C730 (talk) 13:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)