Talk:Sea change (idiom)

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Someone needs to write an entry for Hemmingway short story that most of these works stemmed or were influenced from.
 * The phrase was common before Hemingway. Shakespearean I think. Lainagier 01:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I do believe the term was originated with Shakespeare, though I don't remember the play or the context. I am amazed that there is no article for the term itself, its origins, meanings, and uses throughout history. Even Wiktionary has next to nothing about it. LordAmeth 15:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I see Wiktionary's got Shakey covered under "sea change"... Lainagier 09:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But not much more than that... and seachange has even less. It's a shame, that's all. Something to work on. LordAmeth 21:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
Propose moving a dic-def to the head of the disambiguation page; thereby explaining the term and at the same time redirecting readers to substantive articles. Yes, I know it hasn't been done before -- has that ever stopped the Wiki ? 62.25.109.196 (talk) 09:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It has been done before, but now there is a well-enforced policy against having any substantive info in disambiguation pages besides links. (I think it's silly but what'cha gonna do.) Anyway, that doesn't conflict with deleting this page. Potatoswatter (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've used this page as a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.140.166 (talk) 15:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

More history needed
The origin of the "sea-change" idiom can be traced back to a song by Ariel in Shakespeake's "The Tempest" --that much is documented by the OED.

What is not clear is how or why the phrase suddenly became so popular in contemporary speech. While it never faded completely out of use, prior to maybe five or six years ago I could count the times I heard it used in common speech, or by a news-caster, on the fingers of one hand.

All of a sudden, it seems to be the go-to phrase for NPR announcers who want to sound hip.

So what happened ca. 2008 - 2012 to bring this obscure phrase back into mainstream popularity?

Requested move 28 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   21:37, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

– Per WP:DIFFCAPS / the only use of this term in lowercase. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:53, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Sea change (idiom) → Sea change
 * Sea change → Sea Change
 * Oppose - unlike the situations for when the only usage has a specific capitalization and editors argue that a reader writing that specific way can only mean they are searching for that title, the same cannot be said for all lowercase. That's just how people search. This helps no one other than you for some reason (and it's a bit annoying that I'll need to copy/paste my same argument to all nominations now). --Gonnym (talk) 23:44, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Changes from flood tide to ebb tide, or from spring tide to neap tide, are physical sea changes. Since the article is about an idiom, not a real sea change, the title should say so. — Rgdboer (talk) 00:56, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per both of the above. I wouldn't oppose moving the DAB page to be capitalized, though, since most entries are.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Gonnym and SNOW close. --В²C ☎ 01:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


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