Talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute/Archive 7

Minor Grammatical Mistake
The last sentence of the first paragraph on this page reads as follows; "The International Hydrographic Organization, the international governing body for the naming bodies of water around the world, in 2012 rejected the use of "East Sea" and recognized the term "Sea of Japan" as the only title for the sea.[2]", when instead it should read "The International Hydrographic Organization, the international governing body for the naming of bodies of water around the world, in 2012 rejected the use of "East Sea" and recognized the term "Sea of Japan" as the only title for the sea.[2]". 50.83.160.237 (talk) 07:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)¡Yo quiero Taco Bell!


 * Thanks - done. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

East Sea
The usage of East Sea is under discussion, see Talk:East Sea -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Decision of 2012 IHO conference
User:Cyberkagami added a description "while also rejecting Japan's proposal to keep the current "Sea of Japan" as a sole name for the sea." saying "Reference number 2 has been for this." Yes Korean YONHAP NEWS AGENCY wrote so. However what actually voted at the conference is not "to keep the current "Sea of Japan" as a sole name for the sea". Japan proposed to setup a working group to discuss the format of the revision of S-23 in order to make it easier to revise part or parts of the standard without sticking to the unresolved part like the Sea of Japan issue. Is this proposal "to keep the current "Sea of Japan" as a sole name for the sea"? No, without this proposal, the current standard is "Sea of Japan" is a sole name for the sea" and even after it was rejected, "Sea of Japan" was kept as a sole name for the sea. As I said in the edit summary, it is nothing but "Korean POV" and factually incorrect.

The Japanese proposal is as follows:

It is proposed that a working group, or a smaIl group of « coalition of willing », could be set up to work on the actual format of the revision of the S-23 on the basis of the following perimeters ((a) and (b)), and be asked to report its result to the next Extraordinnary IHC.
 * (a) The format should allow part or parts of the S-23 to be revised swiftly and flexibly as necessary.
 * (b) The format should ensure that the integrity of the S-23 is retained.page 89
 * ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, Now it seems I misunderstood the situation. YONHAP NEWS AGENCY (and Korea Times, and so on) wrote that article based on thought that the proposal is "based on a premise that the current edition of S-23 showing the sole use of Sea of Japan is valid."(as the article saying), but I cannot find any official source that confirms it (and maybe we cannot forever). Thus, you are right, it's factually not correct. I will delete the description about it. Thank you for your correction. :) ―― Cyberkagami (talk) 12:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request
Section: Compromise names

Current text: In January 2007 Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuhisa Shiozaki opposed the idea saying there was "No need to change name of Sea of Japan".

Proposed text: In January 2007 Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuhisa Shiozaki opposed the idea, saying that there was no need to change the name of the Sea of Japan.

Reason: If you go to the source, you see that the original quoted text was actually the headline of the article (hence the truncated grammar), and was not presented as a quote by Shiozaki. My proposal does not change the sentence materially but (1) makes it clear that it is not a quote and (2) makes the sentence read more easily. 123.220.97.69 (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Neil N  talk to me 14:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Sea of Sunrise

 * The following discussion is closed. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

"Sea of Japan" means that the sea is belonging to Japan. What does Japan mean? The character nichi (日?) means "sun" or "day"; hon (本?) means "base" or "origin". The compound means "origin of the sun" or "sunrise" (from a Chinese point of view, the sun rises from Japan); it is a source for the popular Western description of Japan as the "Land of the Rising Sun". Before Nihon came into official use, Japan was known as Wa (倭?) or Wakoku (倭国?).[21]

The dispute on Sea of Japan was made by Japanese word, not in English for international sea's name. The East Sea is the acient Korean nickname of Dong[東國]. As Japan means the Sunrise, it is matching to the East Sea [Sea of Korea] in English. So there is no dispute on the name of international sea. The English Meaning of Japan is "Sunrise". So the Sea of Sunrise is proper in English name for both sides of dispute. --Canendo (talk) 08:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input. As it states at the top of this page, until and unless you can convince the international community to change the name used by most international organizations, it will not be changed here. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 19:08, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

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Update needed regarding the claim that IHO will discuss this in 2017
The article reads: "On 26 April 2012, the IHO announced that it had decided to use only "Sea of Japan" in its governing publication Limits of Oceans and Seas and rejected the alternative use of "East Sea" as proposed by South Korea. According to the South Korean government, the organization will again discuss the issue of the name when it reconvenes in 2017". So, did it? This needs an update. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:27, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free to look it up yourself and see. You're a "someone". ··· 日本穣  ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 20:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've tried finding anything I could about it, and have been unable to find any sort of publication or report from them in 2017 that discusses the issue. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 21:04, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I couldn't either, which is why I ask here. Maybe there is some coverage in language I don't speak (JPN or KO)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  07:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)