Talk:Sea turtle/Archive 1

SURVIVAL RATE??
Only a very small proportion of them (usually .001%) will be successful

Is it really 0.001% survive, or is it 0.001 times the total hatched survive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.211.201.174 (talk) 06:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Captialisation
personally I'd capitalise all the names, like the birds, but I'm no reptile buff, so I've just made it consistent. jimfbleak 15:54 25 May 2003 (UTC)


 * They don't capitalize at [http://www.seaturtleinc.com/turtles.html

http://www.seaturtleinc.com/turtles.html] in the body of their paragraphs, so maybe it is correct as is. - Bevo 02:35, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Links
--81.167.82.195 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)--81.167.82.195 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)--81.167.82.195 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)--81.167.82.195 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)--81.167.82.195 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)--81.167.82.195 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC) not too sure google image links are appropriate. Christopher Mahan 00:04, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * What's your reasoning about the appropriateness issue? Bevo 01:02, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I'd like to add a link to SWOT - The State of the World's Sea Turtles which allows for additional reading on all sea turtle species and answers many of the questions that people have posed here that may not be addressed in the Wikipedia article. What does everyone think about the validity of this link?

I've tried to use this link but the page requires a log in before it will open. I've tried my institutions log in but it is unsucessful. If you could provide the log in for the page the link would be valid.

Immortal
I heard sea turtles are immortal; that they don't expire naturally but must be felled by injury or disease. Is this true? Kent Wang 00:42, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * no it is not, though they are long lived, as far as I know they can only live into their hundreds. sunja 10:57, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * How can there not be a section on Life Span or Longevity in this article? Can somebody please add it? Tmusgrove (talk) 06:04, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Threat
I'm pretty sure that the biggest threat to sea turtles currently (other than maybe in the Indian Ocean) is dieing as bycatch in the fishing industry.So the last paragraph is a little misleading.. sunja 09:48, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Notes on British vs American English
I wonder if this would be appropriate on the main page as a side note. The phrase 'sea turtle' is not used in British English as we use the word terrapin for freshwater varieties. All the species names seem wrong as the word 'sea' is redundant. SEA TURTLE ARE THE BEST IN WORLD OF UNDER Water


 * thanks for being so respectful about my comment. I have never seen the word 'sea turtle' in 25 years of reading reptile encyclopedias in England. Care to name a few sources and include your username? Glennh70 16:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Here is a quick list that comes up after a BBC search on the word turtle-

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=turtle&recipe=allbbc&scope=allbbc&tab=allbbc&x=47&y=18

There are about 80% less articles containing the word sea-turtles and even when using 'sea-turtle' as a search term you bring up more instances of the phrase 'marine turtle.' I can't find a single occurence of the phrase 'Green sea turtle' or 'Hawksbill sea turtle'. I would argue the use of the interfix 'sea' in a species name is never used for turtles on BBC material. It seems a good international encylopedia should mention this difference in terminology. Glennh70 05:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The US Fish and Wildlife Service lists all species name with "sea" inserted, i.e. Leatherback sea turtle. I only mention this because I am surpised, expecting since all Leatherbacks are obviously sea turtles the word "sea" might be ommitted.

Rename Article to Latin
I am not actually suggesting that we rename the article to Chelonioidea and redirect Sea Turtle to it, however some kind of policy should be thought of to avoid this very thing of common names in English. Since the servers that host Wikipedia are mostly in the states, I tend to go with American names and spelling, and also by default the American Common names as well. Perhaps a simple template could be made which notes that the article is the American Common name, and the (whatever the article subject is) is also know as (British name) in the UK, (whatever else ) in where-ever etc.

---Wolfe (talk) 04:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Questions Not Answered

 * What do sea turtles eat? Mirasmus 03:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Each species has a different diet. Greens eat plants. Hawksbills eat sponges. Leatherbacks eat jellyfish. See the species articles for details. Wilsonjd 11:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * How do they breath? Gills?

NO! they breathe air of course!


 * How did they evolve?

They eat jellyfish, squid and sometimes seaweed. They breathe with lungs like all reptiles. Dora Nichov 07:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Sea Turtles eat a wide variety of things such as and many other things.
 * small fish
 * plankton
 * krill
 * seaweed


 * Are sea turtles amphibious like frogs or do they need to surface for air like whales?--Teletran 23:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Both! Frogs breathe air too. Sea turtles come to land to lay eggs, but spend most time at sea. They do need to surface to breath air.

sea turtles
sea turtles are so cute how do they avoid sharks?

They just swim and hide, but their shell and beak protect them to some extent... Dora Nichov 09:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible vandalism to this article.
I don't have an account here and I'm not familiar with how to edit the pages, but it appears that the following paragraph has been altered inappropriately.

A sea turtle's senses are very sharp. However, all species of sea turtles are endangered. The Leatherback, Kemp's ridley, and Hawksbill turtles are listed as critically endangered. The Olive ridley, Loggerhead, and Green turtles are considered endangered. The Flat back is considered data deficient due to lack of research. Sea turtles used to be hunted on a large scale in the whaling days for their meat, fat and shells, and coastal peoples have always gathered turtle eggs for consumption. Their biggest threat now comes from long-line fishing, and as bycatch in shrimp nets, as well as over development on inexpensive changes to fishing techniques, such as slightly larger hooks and traps from which sea turtles can escape, can dramatically cut the mortality rate. Another danger comes from marine debris, especially from abandonded fishing nets in which they can become entangled. A major threat to the sea turtle population is Kayla Snyder, she eats them for sun.

The "user" from IP address 67.175.179.217 also vandalized the Puppy article.

209.34.196.154 15:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed the last sentence. ECC211 19:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

added this page to my watch list awhile ago for this reason ---Wolfe 18:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

SAVE THE SEA TURTLES!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.199.8 (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Endangered Status
The status of these species (i.e. endangered, threatened) is an all cases uncited and in several cases incorrect. See

In fact, virtually nothing is cited in this page at all! There is no cite for some species being "critically endangered," whatever that means. No figures are cited, and many may have large errors in measurement so knowing the source is important. The example in the "Sea turtles and fragile ecosystems" section is totally unsubstantiated. While there may be studies to this effect, any such study is not "fact" but merely a theory backed up by evidence. It is crucial to know what that evidence is. I find this rather suspect, especially as manatee and sea turtle populations are already well below "natural" numbers from a few hundreds of years ago. And I suspect the nutrient addition to beaches has no effect. Eutrophication (artificial nutrient enrichment) is the problem in ocean ecosystems, not a lack of nutrient. I'm sure human influence makes up for this loss with artificially induced nutrients, even if simply through dropped food. While sea turtles are in trouble and likely have some impact on their ecosystems, this article cites nothing and makes huge jumps in logic and leaps of faith without being in any way substantiated by real research.


 * i'm not sure what youre saying... but there are plenty of news items about the threatened status of marine turtles. sunja 11:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

How Do Sea Turtles Mate
Please Answer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.23.109.238 (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
 * Very slowly. Remember 20:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That question reminds me of a joke that actually makes sence only in you know Greek slang. Now seriously I've seen photos of turtles riding one (presumably male) another(presumably female) in the water but it was not clarified if they were doing some pre-mating dance like many animals do or if they just were on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.118.191.48 (talk) 02:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

References (to be integrated into the text)

 * Shrumster 10:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Anatomy?
Aside from the flippers, is there anything that distinguishes sea turtles from tortoises or other land species? What does their skeleton look like and is their shell attached to it? Am I weird for wondering this stuff? (Please don't answer that last one!)
 * A couple of anatomical differences. I'll deal with that when I get to this article. As for the shell thingy, that's better dealt with in the testudines article itself or the "turtle" article as all shelled turtle's carapaces are extensions of their vertebrae. Shrumster 04:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture in Conservation section
In the Conservation section, there's a picture labeled as a sea turtle caught in a net. When I look at this picture, I see what looks like a seal caught in a net. Would someone else please take a look at the picture and see what you think? If I don't see any comments to the contrary, then next time I log in I'll remove the picture from the article. If you agree with me, feel free to remove the picture yourself. &mdash;CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 03:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like a turtle to me - you can see the hard line of the shell.--Graminophile (talk) 13:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, but I think that's just a fold of skin caused by the animal's position in the net. Look closely at the flippers and compare them to the flippers of all the sea-turtle pictures in this article and others. They don't look at all like turtle flippers. Then compare them to seal flippers. Also, there's a shoulder fold visible in what would have to be a shell if it were a turtle. Shells don't fold, unless, maybe, it's a leatherback; but a leatherback has dorsal ridges that seem to be missing on this animal. In addition, if you look at the shape near the bottom, the body looks longer and thinner than a turtle, but it makes sense if it's a seal. Last and, I suppose, least convincingly, the color's all wrong. All this taken together seems to me to strongly suggest that the picture is mislabeled. &mdash;CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 04:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You could well be right - the position of the shoulder doesn't look like that of a turtle. There's a higher resolution version of the photo here. So, it might be best to remove it. --Graminophile (talk) 08:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Graminophile. I've removed the picture from the article, but I'm putting it here for safekeeping. &mdash;CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 07:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I've moved this discussion to the Image_talk:SeaTurtleInNet.jpg page to discuss the possibility of renaming the picture. If you want to continue this discussion, please go there so we can keep the discussion together. Thanks. &mdash;CKA3KA (Skazka) (talk) 01:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protect?
This article is coming close to needing semi-protection, no? High visibility, common homework topic, and often vandalised. -- Phoebe (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Predation
The article makes extensive mention of adaptions such as the shell to confound predators. It never specifies what those predators are, beyond humans. Cantabwarrior (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Anatomy
The article here reads " However, to make up for that vulnerability, they have the ability to pull their heads inside their shells when threatened. Many can also pull their legs and tail into their shell." However everywhere else I read up on sea turtles I read that they cannot do this only the land turtles have that ability. Can anybody verify this for me as I am doing a project on the turtles. Minalesca (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Intro "paragraph" needs work
The current intro paragraph is: "Sea turtles (superfamily Chelonioidea) inhabit all of the world's oceans except the Arctic." While this may be a true statement, it is not an introduction to the topic in any sense of the word. (Compare to the first sentence on the Turtles article (a comparable article about a broad type of animal): "Turtles are reptiles of the order Testudines [...], characterised by a special bony or cartilaginous shell developed from their ribs that acts as a shield."  This sentence provides a basic description of the topic of the article, rather than geographical-distribution-related miscellany.)

Someone want to improve this? I suggest the information currently there should remain in the intro paragraph, but that a general description of what sea turtles are, exactly, precede it. 76.201.168.254 (talk) 06:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Sea turtle age {citation needed}
I've never done the editing thing on wikipedia so I don't want to screw it up. But when researching sea turtles, I found on Busch Garden's SeaWorld site, that turtles can live up to 80 years. I don't know if that counts as a citation or not, but I figured I'd throw it out there. Here's the link: http://www.seaworld.org/ask-shamu/faq.htm 173.88.167.95 (talk) 00:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC) Jeff
 * Hi, thanks for the link. I found the same information in an "InfoBook" about Sea Turtles by Seaworld as well, and I've cited it. I think its a valid reference. :) Omirocksthisworld( Drop a line ) 21:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

very out of date reference
I have copied two paragraphs from the text here the life history section:

It takes decades for sea turtles to reach sexual maturity. After mating at sea, adult female sea turtles return to land to nest at night. Different species of sea turtles exhibit various levels of philopatry. In the extreme case, females return to the beach where they hatched. This can take place every two to four years in maturity. They make from one to eight nests per season.

The mature nesting female hauls herself onto the beach and finds suitable sand on which to create a nest. Using her hind flippers, she digs a circular hole 40 to 50 centimetres (16 to 20 in) deep. After the hole is dug, the female then starts filling the nest with a clutch of soft-shelled eggs one by one until she has deposited around 50 to 200 eggs, depending on the species. Some species have been reported to lay 250 eggs, such as the hawksbill. After laying, she re-fills the nest with sand, re-sculpting and smoothing the surface until it is relatively undetectable visually. The whole process takes thirty to sixty minutes. She then returns to the ocean, leaving the eggs untended.

These two paragraphs are full of inaccuracy. The problem as I see it is that there are seven species of sea turtle and their life histories can vary quite a bit. Also reference 2 is quoting a reference from the 19th century. I would recommend that someone with the time finds some up to date sources that meet wikipedia's guidelines and edit bravely. Here are a few starting points: the depth of the hole a turtle can dig varies basically in proportion to the size of the turtle. the kemp's ridley and olive ridley dig to about 60 cm very roughly and a much larger leather back over a metre. when laying eggs they do not just lay one by one. they can squirt out three in a row. I know because I caught some in my hands doing conservation work to protect from poachers. 250 eggs in one laying I believe from my reading would be an extreme case. finally from me for now the final point is that the whole process does not take from 30 to 60 minutes. The fastest I saw an olive ridley do this was just under an hour. there may be quicker species but the slowest I saw a green do this was over 4 and I heard from colleagues because of attempts to dig nests in bad spots then re-dig successfully elsewhere up to 6 hours. So like I said there is out of date inaccurate info here. However my hearsay is not enough and this is not an attempt at authority just me planting a big red flag by the article. It supposedly has a grade B for quality this article. I'd give it a C minus. If I have time I may come back to it in a few months but if you have time then please find some good sources and update this. Can we quote printed books because James Spotila's 'Sea Turtles' is an excellent starting point? ...HORNS OF THE BULL... 00:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Toxochelyidae and Thalassemyidae family wikilinks
Why do the exctinct Toxochelyidae and Thalassemyidae family links just redirect back to this page? Surely they should either link to their own page or be red linked? Antarctic-adventurer (talk)  06:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Typo
"usually taked place at night" - Page is protected. I couldn't fix it myself. 46.116.23.204 (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks for the heads up. (Insert plug for registering a user name here.)oknazevad (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Propose adding reference to National Research Council report
I would like to add the following paragraphs at the end of the section titled Conservation.


 * Evaluating the progress of conservation programs is difficult, because many sea turtle populations have not been assessed adequately. In the United States and much of the world, most information on sea turtle populations comes from counting nests on beaches, but this doesn’t provide an accurate picture of the whole sea turtle population.


 * In light of this problem, the National Marine Fisheries Service requested the National Research Council review current methods for assessing sea turtle populations, identify gaps in information, and suggest improvements. The National Research Council report concluded that more detailed information on sea turtles’ life cycles, such as birth rates and mortality, is needed to better understand and predict population trends, and develop successful management and conservation plans. Improved data management, coordination, and education would help researchers collect and analyze this demographic information.

Does anyone have any comments or edits to this? Bluntbono (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks great, although if you could use the citation templates at WP:CT that would be even better! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 11:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Since I posted that blurb I decided that my suggested edits were too long, so I came up with this, which is much shorter.


 * Evaluating the progress of conservation programs is difficult, because many sea turtle populations have not been assessed adequately. Most information on sea turtle populations comes from counting nests on beaches, but this doesn’t provide an accurate picture of the whole sea turtle population. A 2010 National Research Council report concluded that more detailed information on sea turtles’ life cycles, such as birth rates and mortality, is needed.

Does anyone have any comments to this edit and is the citation appropriate now? 144.171.145.46 (talk) 14:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Citations look very well done. Only thing I can think of at the moment is specifying which National Research Council it is. The United States National Research Council I assume. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 19:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Cheloniidae confusion
Removed the following from the article. Unsourced and dubious: "In a wider sense (sensu lato), Cheloniidae includes many extinct species dating back to the Late Cretaceous. In the strictest sense (sensu stricto), Cheloniidae includes only living sea turtles and a few more recently extinct species. The leatherback sea turtle is placed within Cheloniidae in the tribe Carretini, along with the Ridley sea turtles. " Regards, SunCreator (talk) 13:08, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sea turtle
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sea turtle's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "IUCN": From African spurred tortoise:  From Atlantic goliath grouper: Database entry includes a range map and a lengthy justification of why this species is critically endangered From Sicilian pond turtle:  From Fauna of Barbados:  From Indian roofed turtle:  From Domed Rodrigues giant tortoise:  From Texas horned lizard: </li> <li>From Indian tent turtle: </li> <li>From Ctenosaura bakeri:

</li> <li>From Lesser Antillean Macaw: </li> <li>From Red-crowned roofed turtle: Database entry includes a brief justification of why this species is critically endangered and the criteria used</li> <li>From Oceanic whitetip shark: </li> <li>From Hermann's tortoise: </li> <li>From Gopher tortoise: </li> <li>From Hawksbill sea turtle: </li> <li>From Brown roofed turtle: </li> <li>From Glyptemys: </li> <li>From Big-headed Amazon River turtle: </li> <li>From Flatback sea turtle: </li> </ul> I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * They are slightly different because they link to the individual species pages on the IUCN red list, I only checked the first five turtles and tortoises not others but they worked and went to the right page. Personally not sure of the value of the link but thats not what you asked. They are functional. I will try to check the rest soon. Cheers Faendalimas  talk 03:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused as to the purpose. It sounds like the bot is suggesting links for this article. The only relevant one would be the Hawksbill one though. Esox  id talk•contribs 04:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well that and the Flatback one are both sea turtles the rest are a combination of freshwater and terrestrial turtles and other sea creatures. I was just checking if the links work. Not sure why this request would be made here on the sea turtle page though. Cheers Faendalimas  talk 04:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Right you are, missed that one. Who knows, maybe they'll be of use to someone. There are no orphaned references on this article though, so nothing to do. Esox  id talk•contribs 05:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Citation
Can somebody find a citation for the sea turtle gender- temperature sand color statement. I think i've seen it somewhere but it needs a source. Thanks, Reedman72 (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've got a couple. I'll try to remember to add them when I get a chance. Esox  id talk•contribs 04:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I forgot to post here after I added a source. I only added a few on gender differences affected by temperature. I'll have to look for ones about sand color. Esox  id talk•contribs 20:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Anaerobic?
How exactly does having large lungs capable of holding air for extended periods of time translate into the sea turtle being an anaerobic organism? Do their mitochondria not depend on oxygen for energy? When under dire circumstances what chemical does the sea turtle's blood use for the electron exchange? I'm just curious because there does not seem to be any reference in this section.108.13.79.107 (talk) 04:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Agree that portion of the article greatly needs improvement (mistakenly at the moment it reads as though diving always creates a major new metabolic adaptation), but it's not just a matter of holding breath.
 * Basically, if you put a breathing turtle in a pure nitrogen atmosphere (so that its cells run out of O2, for converting glucose to CO2 in order to generate ATP), the cells still continue glycolysis (converting glucose into lactate to generate ATP). Experiments on freshwater turtles found they lived 15 or more hours in this manner ("prolonged anaerobiosis"). Over the course of these hours, the body's store of glucose (in the form of liver glycogen) was used to keep blood glucose levels high, but (mainly because lactic acid fermentation is less energy-efficient than aerobic respiration) the production of ATP was unable to completely maintain pace with demand (ending in cardiac arrest when levels of ATP in the heart decline too low). Cesiumfrog (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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