Talk:Sealab 2021

Comment doesn't make sense
This comment under "Jodene Sparks" in the "Characters and premise" section doesn't make much sense: "After the secret was out he says again after Shanks thretened to hurt him he says that he says that he is not Crippled. (Attack of Fever Heads)"

Random comments/questions

 * add a freaking title when you talk

I just added a description of most of the characters and premise of the show (with a spoiler warning, just in case). If this is a bit too much for Wikipedia, let me know. -lee 18:12, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

This can't be right: "over the age of 1" Kent Wang 17:25, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Anyone know who sings the intro music? Stargoat 14:23, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * The intro song was written and performed by the band Calamine. Julie Stepanek sings lead. -lee 15:00, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The only females
I don't remember an episode of Sealab 2021 where it states that "Black Debbie" is the only other female (besides "White Debbie") in Sealab. There's a whole bunch of people in Sealab, but if it says that she is, then never mind this comment. Slof 05:54, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * One of the orphans is female, and Yumi (the Asian woman that sold the Gloop and also got in a fight with White Debbie isn't a crewmember, but she is a recurring character. Chubby Carol also is mentioned multiple times and seen at least once (at the wedding)

Real footage from sealab 2020?
I'm not sure but don't think they use real footage from Sealab 2020 to make Sealab 2021. If you watch the DVDs of season 1 (disc 3, think) the extras include the 'pitch pilot' sealab 2021. The creators said they used stock footage from 2020 to create this. However, it looks significatly different from 2021.

Please correct me if I a wrong, otherwise I'm going to modify the article after a few days. ike9898 20:06, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * No, you're right... it wasn't real 2020 footage. Except for that one episode that they didn't change at all.


 * There is no disc 3 to any of the DVDs. The show did use actual 2020 footage at first and that's almost all they used. The first time they used their own animation and none from 2020 was when they made the Maxim Hair Color commercial with Captain Murphy which I believe came out during the first season of the show. As each season progressed they started using less 2020 footage and more of their own.

Mention that Neptunati had alternate title ?
Interesting aside that might be worth mentioning (or might not), but the episode "Neptunati" had an alternate title used in the bump cards during its initial airing. It was called "The Five Jew Bankers and the Death Star of David".

POV
Saying that many believed that the show was never the same after the death of Harry Goz is not POV. Saying that IT WAS never the same would be POV. Many cite Goz's death as a turning point in the show that lead to the cancellation. I was simply adding a possible explaination for the cancellation and adding a little context. Morrison1917


 * Please refer to this page for information on why I chose to remove that statement: – Quoth 09:48, 5 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, I see what you mean. I've read many critics who say that the death of Harry Goz lead to the cancellation of the show.  I've also heard that the brass at Adult Swim felt the same, though I have yet to find any definitive proof of that.  I do feel that the statement is necessary to help give some explanation of why a seemly popular show was suddenly canceled. Morrison1917


 * While I've never read it anywhere, personally I felt the same about the show but something that could be taken so easily as opinion or conjecture isn't good for an encyclopedia. I think the current statement on the subject is vastly improved. Thank you. – Quoth 01:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I personally like the Tornado Shanks episodes better, so if the implication is that earlier episodes were better, then that is an opinion not shared by everyone, which makes it IMO even LESS factual, if that makes sense. 146.63.253.183 18:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Forgot someone

 * Hey I think the charecter bios are awesome, but whoever did them forgot "Old Gus" :D

Old Gus has seen a lot of stuff... but I don't think the list is meant to be exhaustive. Also missing are the FCC guy and his son,   beard guy, the kissass ranger from the Radio Free episode, the British guys who like corn, the five jew bankers, the crew of Space Lab, the Groovies, the prison warden who may or may not have killed Shanks' parents, Shanks' brothers, the drunken racist Indian, Alvis, Alvis's virgin mother, the health inspector, Cody the baby and her mother, Dolphin boy's redneck mother, Amish Dave, and Yost the Dutchman... and probably others.

I am with you on adding Gus... but out of the others are there any more who have appeared on more than one episode? User:MrBucket

episode list
This page needs to put the episode list on a separate page - and add episode numbers, etc. Ie make it look like other episode lists on wikipedia. User:fresheneesz
 * Looks like this was originally done under "Sealab 2021 episode list". I moved it to "List of Sealab 2021 episodes" to conform with Wikipedia standards and fixed the link here (it's the only article linking to it.) BinaryTed 19:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Main Characters
Isnt Hesh a main charecter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jestabobo (talk • contribs)

Yes, definitely in the later episodes. Also, Wouldn't "Black Debbie" be a main character?


 * Nah. MGlosenger 17:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen enough of the show to rule on that, but if we're going to say that Marco "tried to seduce both females on the station", it would be good to make it clear who they were. Currently only "White Debbie" is listed as a main character, and I imagine the other female is "Black Debbie" who is mentioned in Derek's entry, but that's only a guess.  I think either Black Debbie should be added as a character, or else the sentence about seduction should be clarified.   75.36.182.157 20:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, she plays a larger part in the later episodes, enough so the I for one, feel she is a main character. 146.63.253.183 18:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Fignuts
This was a whole section on the page. Seems unwarranted. I'm putting it here for discussion if needed.
 * Fignuts is a term originating from Sealab 2021. It was often used by Captain Murphy in the episode "Radio Free Sealab".  It has later appeared on Sealab 2021 merchandise such as t-shirts and stickers.  It is never fully explained what the definition of fignuts is.  Fig trees produce fruit filled with tiny seeds, rather than nuts.

- Zepheus (ツィフィアス) 16:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

One-time Characters
I'm not sure that the Bizzaros or Squishface belong in the minor character list, since they each only appear in a single episode.

Battle of Yorktown
This page is currently longer than the wiki page for the Battle of Yorktown, which is the battle that secured independence for the thirteen colonies, making the United States possible. What's wrong with this picture? 69.118.244.33 01:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Rhetorical questions are dumb. MGlosenger 02:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. First poster, get a life.

Old Adultswim BBS thread
I stumbled on this thread at the Adult Swim bulletin boards. It has some pretty useful information that could go into the article. It's a farewell post by Brett Butler when the show was canceled. It's cool that he answered a few fan questions too. :: ZJH (T C E) 21:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Reaction from Sealab 2020 Creators
The original creators of Sealab 2020 were upset about Sealab 2021. See here: http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?imageIndex=4&oid=oid%3A5217 Is this worth mentioning in the article? Amanojyaku 03:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I think it could go... somewhere... it would have to be something like 'the original creators of Sealab 2020 had reservations/(problems/were upset) about 2021's creation. The problem is that there aren't any actual quotes we can just plant in the article and cite. I would still like to see it however. MrMacMan  Talk  20:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Summary Section
In the beginning of the second paragraph of the summary section, there is a citation needed link right after "During this year, the crew has slowly gone crazy and now spends more time goofing off in various ways rather than doing any serious work". Although this was mentioned by the creators in an interview around the time the pilot was first aired, the need for a citation is really unnessisary: It is an obvious fact one can see from watching a few episodes, or even any one of a few select episodes (Watch 'Der Dieb', it is proof of rampant insanity).

John F. Kennedy
I don't like the way this sentence is worded:

'While the show contains many references to the pop culture of the 1980s-2000s and appears to be set in the year 2021, John F. Kennedy is President and Robert Kennedy is his Attorney General, suggesting that it is in fact still the early 1960s. (Episode 29, "Red Dawn")'

It may be that John F Kennedy was chosen to be president specifically for the Red Dawn episode since that episode deals with the subject of the cold war. I don't think that means that the show takes place "in fact" in the 1960s. I think that was an anomalous episode.

The better way to state that would be that the show is "in fact" supposed to be taking place in 2021, even though it contains many reference to 1980-2000 pop culture and, in the case of "Red Dawn" in the 1960s.

Theme Song
I see no mention of the theme song in this article. Was the theme song used for this show the same theme song used for Sealab 2020? If not, why not? Who wrote the song? Who performed the song? How long is the song in its full length? Et cetera. This should all be included in the article. Allixpeeke 21:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the commentary, it was written by the singer a half-hour before it was recorded. 67.150.174.227 (talk) 07:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

freak of nature link
The freak of nature link in Sharko's entry under the Character section. Takes you to a Studio Album by Anastacia. Is this an error or is Anastacia some how involved in some way with this show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.65.68 (talk) 22:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Parody?
Wouldn't Sealab 2021, like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law, The Brak Show, etc. just be a spin-off/sequel series of Sealab 2020 rather than a parody (unless the characters from the show are slightly or completely different)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NDEdminson (talk • contribs) 01:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * First, the characters are actually very different—different names (except Murphy's and Sparks' surnames), voices, personalities, and usually (except Murphy and Sparks again) titles and positions. And they're not just parodic versions of the original characters, they're just completely different. The only thing 2021's White Debbie shares with 2020's Gail is that they might both be marine biologists. Compare that with Harvey Birdman, or Space Ghost, and it's not at all the same thing.


 * But I don't think that's relevant to the question of whether it's a parody in the first place. For one thing, Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law is also a parody, despite using the original characters. And in fact, the usual thing for parodies is to lampoon original characters, not ignore them and invent different characters. What makes Sealab 2021 a parody of Sealab 2020 is that it makes fun of the basic concept of that show.


 * However, having different characters does mean it's hard to call it a spinoff. Or a sequel—to the extent that there is such a thing as continuity in Sealab 2021, it's pretty obvious that none of the events of Sealab 2020 are part of that continuity. Also, given that the creators of 2020 ae on record as saying that 2021 is not a sequel, you'd have to cover that as a controversy and find reliable sources for both sides of it, and I don't think that's nearly important enough a question to be worth the effort to answer it appropriately. --157.131.246.136 (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, to the original question I'm going to invoke the Inigo Montoya Rule, and point out that in the common English language
 * A parody ; also called a spoof, send-up, take-off, lampoon, play on (something), caricature, or joke, is a work created to imitate, make fun of, or comment on an original work—its subject, author, style, or some other target—by means of satiric or ironic imitation.
 * Besides, the characters are killed off repeatedly and the entire Sealab complex blown up multiple times, so really not much expectation of realism or even continuity. Weeb Dingle (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

New image?
I looked at the article, and I keep seeing this old screenshot of the title card: File:Sealab 2021.gif.

Couldn't they replace it with a better quality version of it, like this one?: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61S26bxAk-L._RI_.jpg --2601:2C0:C280:21A0:B077:2D42:66B8:38F9 (talk) 01:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)