Talk:Sean O'Keefe

Want to delete a sentence: is that okay?
I would like the delete the following sentence from the article: "On February 17, 2005, an Associated Press news report claimed that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) would investigate O'Keefe's misuse or overuse of government airplanes for employee travel." My rationale is that, as I pointed out in my newly added sentence right below this one, this news report was not actually accurate. Sean O'Keefe was not investigated, it was a more general, nonspecific look at the agency. I don't think it's fair to O'Keefe to keep this sentence, impugning his integrity, in the article. If no one objects within a few days, I'll take it out. --Centurion328 11:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, no one objected so I took it out. --Centurion328 11:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Griffin has expressed a willingness to reverse O'Keefe and send up a shuttle and to launch the Discovery at July 13th, 2005 to the International Space Station"

Could someone clarify this? Miros 12:47, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Uncited material
If a request for citation was made several months ago and no citation has been supplied, is it ok to delete the material?

The unsubstantiated item is as follows: There were allegations of misuse of government airplanes that were brought up by government investigators at the tail end of his tenure at NASA.

Accipiter ascendant 22:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Follow up: no objections so I am removing the uncited material. Accipiter ascendant 21:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightskybear (talk • contribs)

Plane Crash
Text containing Sen. Ted Stevens should now reflect "the late Ted Stevens" as Stevens has been confirmed dead through family statement. bountyhunter1.0 (talk) 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Death
WGN Radio reported earlier that NBC had confirmed O'Keefe's death. WGN is no longer making that report.ShelbyBell (talk) 15:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ascottlane22, 10 August 2010
Sean O'keef along with fmr. Alaskan Ted Stevens was involved in a air crash in south western Alaska on a return from a fishing vacation

Ascottlane22 (talk) 15:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Its been mentioned in the article now by the looks of it although there is disagreement about what should/should not be said at this stage. Either way, editrequest wont be needed now. BritishWatcher (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He's been confirmed involved in the accident, but not confirmed alive or dead.  — fetch ·  comms   16:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * My opinion: Since this is a biography, we should hold off going into much detail about the crash until after all the details are confirmed. At least, it's a show of respect; at most, it's abiding by the rule that Wikipedia doesn't break news, it records established facts. aido2002 talk · userpage 16:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Speculative details should be left out of course, but information that has been confirmed reliably should be included. At this point he's known to be a passenger (hat's been confirmed by his employeer) and the plane is known to have crashed (which is confirmed in many reliable sources). Anything beyond that should be left out.  Crash details belong in the article on the crash anyway.--RadioFan (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

This is another topic of Sean O'Keefe's bio, but I noticed that one interesting part of his life was not present in his wikipedia page:

As NASA Administator under the Bush administration, a scuffle in the press occurred between Sean O'Keefe and NASA climatologist James Hansen in the buildup to the 2004 election. In 2003, it was revealed, Mr. O'Keefe warned Dr. Hansen not to discuss humans' role in global warming. "The administrator [Mr. O'Keefe] interrupted me;" Dr. Hansen said in the New York Times "he told me that I should not talk about dangerous anthropogenic interference, because we do not know enough or have enough evidence for what would constitute dangerous anthropogenic interference."

Mr. O'Keefe's spokesperson said that Mr. O'Keefe did not admonish Dr. Hansen or mean to suggest that research efforts should be cut.

''It was reported on 10 August 2010 that O'Keefe, along with former Senator Ted Stevens, were aboard a de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter seaplane on August 9, 2010 when it crashed near Aleknagik, Alaska. The plane was carrying nine people.[5][6][7]''

10 August 2010 should be August 10, 2010 to keep date formats consistent. Thanks.  Connormah  talk 18:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 *  — fetch ·  comms   18:20, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Sean O'Keefe and son survived the crash
See --Lumidek (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Any other sources backing that up? BritishWatcher (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ABC radio network news reported at 1200 PDT (1900 UTC) that O'Keefe survived the crash, but former senator Stevens didn't. No mention of anyone else in the report or the condition of the survivors.&mdash;QuicksilverT @ 19:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The NYtimes is saying O'Keefe and his son survived and are hospitalized. I think you could allow that status to be added rather than prohibiting edits. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/us/11crash.html?hp Karen Anne (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Should we reflect the uncertainty of his survival/death?
I know we have discussed that we should not officially confirm whether or not he has survived the crash, but should we reflect that uncertainty in the article itself? Perhaps we should include a line to the effect of, "It is presently unclear whether or not O'Keefe survived the crash, with several news sources reporting conflicting stories."? Just a thought that I wanted to share because it might serve as a temporary solution until the media has come to a solid conclusion. -- ABarnes94 (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The only reports I've seen have been that it was unknown whether or not he survived (initially) and most recently that he was among the survivors. What conflicting reports have you seen?--RadioFan (talk) 19:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

requested edit
O'Keefe was one of four survivors in the crash of a de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter seaplane on August 9, 2010 near Aleknagik, Alaska. Five others including former United States Senator Ted Stevens died in the crash.

--RadioFan (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

His son also survived. Request this edit
On August 9, 2010, O'Keefe, his son and three others survived the crash of a de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter seaplane near Aleknagik, Alaska. Former United States Senator Ted Stevens was among the fatalities. --Crunch (talk) 20:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There were only four survivors, this proposed edit would incorrectly imply the total was 5. On the other hand, there were 5 deaths, perhaps that was the source of confusion? --Noren (talk) 23:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Fix grammar
Please fix this:

O'Keefe, along with his teenage son, were among 4 survivors of a plane crash on August 9, 2010 near Aleknagik, Alaska, sustaining non-life threatening injuries.

to this:

O'Keefe and with his teenage son were among four survivors of a plane crash on August 9, 2010 near Aleknagik, Alaska. He [or they?] sustained non-life threatening injuries.

--Crunch (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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