Talk:Sean Penn/Archive 1

Paparazzi material, my take on it
This is my first time posting here, and I am going to charge ahead like a bull in a china shop to include the following: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA12843661125997597A0?source=PA%20Feed&ct=5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.60.48 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 9 September 2005

Removal from career section
"One of his competitors for that Oscar was Bill Murray who was so clearly devastated that he did not win for his performance in Lost in Translation that the presenter also asked the audience to clap for Murray."

This just isn't relevant to his career. Maybe put it under a trivia section??

Support for Gay Rights in Cuba
Did he ever mencioned this in his interview with Cuban President Raul Caustro or any of his views of this totalitarian regimen? This needs some expansion.81.193.189.64 (talk) 15:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Add IW please
wuu:Sean Penn

Pending changes
This article is one of a small number (about 100) selected for the first week of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

However with only a few hours to go, comments have only been made on two of the pages.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

Reason for divorce?
Didn't Madonna divorce Penn alleging spousal abuse? If so, I think it should be mentioned in the article. &mdash;Frecklefoot 16:09, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
 * Not sure about this, but I do think something about his relationship with Madonna should be mentioned. &mdash;Ohyeahmormons 13:47, 5 Mar 2006 (UTC)

Filmography
Anyone care to trim the filmography down to "Notable Movies" or "Selected Filmography"? The list is a bit longish and is just duplicated on the IMDb. &mdash;Frecklefoot 16:09, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

>>>Critics pointed out that despite being a champion of liberal causes, Penn was driving a older, less fuel-efficient model of his vehicle, and his gun ownership suggests a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which has come under liberal scrutiny.<<<

This is not NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The lorax (talk • contribs) 23:37, 1 March 2004


 * Well, it's at least weasel terms. --ESP 01:25, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Instead of just slapping an NPOV header on this, why not work at making it better? RickK 02:36, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I slimmed down the paragraph about the gun incident. I'm going to pull the NPOV statement, and it can be put back in if someone finds a problem with it. --ESP 23:02, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Conflict
I believe there's a conflict in the date sean penn received the "best actor" award. under his picture written he received it in 2004 but if you enter that link under the pic: Best Actor, you can see he won it in 2003. what's the right year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.125.174 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 28 August 2005


 * Penn was named the Best Actor for 2003. But he received this Award at the Oscar ceremony in 2004.  (JosephASpadaro 06:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

False Quotes
In the Quotes section, someone put in ""Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles. " -- Sean Penn after visting Iraq". This is not a real quote but is a line from the movie Team America so it should be deleted or noted.Unklelemmy 00:18, 7 September 2005 (UTC)unklelemmy

Paparazzi material
Do those shots of him boating really contribute to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.96.47 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 8 September 2005
 * I agree. Both the pictures and to a lesser degree the wording do not add anything to the article. They appear more as an attack on him then information.--Unklelemmy 21:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

The information appears to be true (see link below,) but that seems more like Wikinews material, if anything. On the other hand, tons of articles on celebrities are filled with this sort of personal life nonsense. I saw some footage on TV of him wading around - he wasn't wearing the flak jacket the whole time. With the number of shootings, it seems perfectly reasonable attire. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=59983 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.96.47 (talk • contribs) 04:42, 9 September 2005

Where's the beef?
I see that it's claimed that he rescued 40 people, but I haven't seen a link to any reliable source that confirms that. Here's another view of his rescue effort that points out (among other things) that he loaded his boat down with an entourage that included his personal photographer. Of course, if you're going to rescue people, it's always important to have someone around to photograph the event I guess: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16494464%5E1702,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.168.119 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 12 September 2005


 * I'm also sceptical of the pro-Sean claims. Andjam 02:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Many of the edits to the page that were deleted due to NPOV "vandalism" were simply factual corrections to what was essentially already an unbalanced entry. In the future, please refrain from deleting additions to articles that present a more balanced picture, as opposed to wildly unsubstantiated claims of Superman like rescues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.251.97.180 (talk • contribs) 06:46, 4 November 2005


 * Not being a lazy coward isn't the same as being Superman. The claims are substantiated no matter what right wing scumballs say. -- Jibal 09:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd hardly call a Rupert Murdoch owned paper a solid source. Every anti-Penn story in the Katrina aftermath originated from one of Murdoch's papers. Do the research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Googuse (talk • contribs) 05:11, 29 October 2005


 * "Although Penn was praised for his rescue efforts, he was also criticized for bringing along a cameraman and Rolling Stone magazine reporter Matt Taibbi to document the event". This has been shown several times in the months since Katrina to be untrue -- mere sneering from the conservative media and bloggers. (They also claimed his boat had sunk.) FWIW, take a look at "Citizen Penn" by John Lahr in The New Yorker, 3 April 2006, p. 48-59. Good article, not special pleading for Penn, and I've never known Lahr (an excellent and experienced reporter) to have been taken for a ride. The best source I'm personally aware of for the number of people in whose rescues Penn was involved is James Carville. (A Democrat, of course, which will automatically disqualify him to many as a source, I'm sure.) By the way: Why don't all you people register, and then sign your posts? --Michael K. Smith 16:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

All I saw of Penn during Katrina doing a publicity stunt and his boat sinking.

Of Italian descent
It was interesting to come to this page and learn he's partly of Italian descent. I recall back in the 1980s, Madonna said that if she squinted her eyes he bore a slight resemblance to her father (Silvio Ciccone). I now see why. -- Andrew Parodi 13:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

This shouldn't be a huge part of the article like it is. If you look at it, He is less than or just about a quarter Italian. His mother is half Italian, half Irish, his father was Lithuanian, Russian and Spanish. That would make Penn only a quarter or less Italian. Thank God. -Izzo

What is this Sean Penn article, anyway?
Is he an actor, or a politician? --67.189.188.122 16:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I think he sees himself as both. He might find it difficult to run for office though, considering all the terrible things he has done to others in his private life.


 * He may see himself as both, but if he's a "politician", so is George Clooney, Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand, and every other actor/actress who likes to complain about Bush. If he gets elected to office, he's a politician. Until then, no.  Zchris87v  06:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say he is more of a political activist then a politician. With his trips to many countries who are on stressed levels of diplomacy with the US and his knack for interjecting himself into many political situations clearly shows he is heavily involved in politics.  As such I believe his politics are a very important part of his biography. Elhector 23:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * He is what he is, and whatever that is, it's better than what his detractors are. -- Jibal 09:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

He is, initially a Hollywood actor. --::semper fidelis:: 19:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleurbutterfly (talk • contribs)

Height?
Do we really need verifiable sources for little things such as a person's height? -WarthogDemon 04:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, all information should be as accurate as possible and verified with a reference, someone could put in that he's 6'. If a reliable source isn't found soon I'd be inclined to remove the height information.  --Bansal 16:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I just wasn't sure as height can change (like with young actors) so it could possibly be hard to track (as far as I know.)  Thanks for clarifying. -WarthogDemon 18:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Notable Films
Any reason why his role in Mystic River, for which he won an Academy Award for Best Actor, isn't considered "notable"? -- GregChant 03:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Katrina
There was also much derision locally (New Orleans) about Penn's much ballyhooed rescue attempt. 1st it is well noted that he and his publicity entourage, film crew and photographers, overloaded the small boat that he was in. The observers cleaimed that the "rescues" were actually walk to the high ground in ankle deep water from across the street type. Meanwhile the governor of Louisiana did not allow over 200 experienced boat handlers access to rescue those who were actually stranded in high water. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.207.229.34 (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC).


 * What is well known is that these are lies by cowardly blowhards. -- Jibal 09:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry
About Sean's father, Leo, his parents were Spanish. They were of Russian and Lithuanian descent, but none the less they were born and raised in Spain. In turn, Leo was fluent in Spanish. My family is Mexican of German descent, but we consider ourselves Mexican, even if we still carry our German surname, Hirsch. I just think that we should concentrate more on his Spanish roots on his father's side if anything.

You know, the professional asshole is vandalism, but... I'll leave it there. 72.66.78.170 02:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Political Social Issues
On April 19, 2007, Penn appeared on The Colbert Report and had a metaphor off vs. Stephen Colbert that was judged by Robert Pinsky. This stemmed from some of Penn's criticisms of President Bush.ripper 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Grandparents
I was reading the Sean Penn article, and it doesn't seem to make sense, at least the early life section. It says that his grandparents were Elizabeth Melincoff and Maurice Daniel Penn. It later states the Penn was originally Piñon. I checked out the source, and it's not what I would call "reliable". It list his parents and grandparents names, sure, but it's just really all over the place. I'll look into it a little bit more before deleting it. Cariis1989 00:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Piñon
How can Sean Penn's descendants be from Russia and Lithuania and have a Spanish surname? Is it just me or does that seem to make no sense? And I agree with Cariss1989 who posted before me, the source is not reliable. 71.214.8.124 19:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect quote
Under personal life it quotes him as saying " we have a bad marriage ..." This is incorrect, therefore I'm deleting the quote. kc12286 (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Beck
Dude, that's awesome! I love Glenn Beck! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.26.68.146 (talk) 17:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

While I would wholeheartedly agree that Sean Penn is a third-rate actor posing as a jounalist as Beck said, let's keep the "Donald Duck College of Iraq" remarks out of the article. I mean, just because Sean Penn is lowering himself to the levels of the drive-by media doesn't mean that we Glenn Beck listeners must as well. Don't mistake this as a defense of Penn (personally I think that pond scum has more worth than he does), but as a defense of Wikipedia. Flag-Waving American Patriot (talk) 22:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I like Glenn Beck too, but this seems rather childish. Fortunately, aside from the near-universal scorn that he already has on the interweb, there isn't much they can do to retaliate. 130.111.16.108 (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Improper interpretation of source material reference
Regarding the Hurricane Katrina section: "In September 2005, Penn traveled to New Orleans, Louisiana, to aid Hurricane Katrina victims. He was physically involved in rescuing people[23] although there was criticism that his involvement was a PR stunt as he hired a photographer to come along with his entourage.[24]"

Nowhere in the reference material is it suggested his actions were a PR stunt. Surely it was poorly planned and executed, with a leaking boat stuffed with his entourage, but to suggest he "hired a photographer" is misleading as the photog was Penn's usual personal photographer, not some out-of-the-blue hire. It's just as plausible the photog was along to chronicle the events for Penn's personal collection or to use them in his future efforts to assist Katrina victims through press coverage and the like. I don't mean to say either version is the truth, only that the existing description assumes far more than the reference material indicates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JwrAMC (talk • contribs) 17:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Controversial comment
"In an interview at the peace rally, he gave a controversial comment saying, 'If the United States has nuclear weapons, then why can't Iran have nuclear weapons?'. Penn was heavily criticized by conservatives after he made the comment"

I have one question: to whom is this comment controversial? It's clear that who wrote this has any idea that the English edition of wikipedia is read by a LOT of non-Americans. To them, it's hardly controversial what Penn said.201.19.222.35 01:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Seriously? Iran can have nuclear weapons - this is non-controversial to most of the world? Kevinp2 18:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd have to agree with Kevinp2. Iran in general is controversial to most of the world because of there denial of the holocaust, call to push israel into the ocean, and also because of the nuclear weapon issue.  Also, a lot of people all over the world are completely against the use and possession of any nuclear weapons by any country.  If there is a good source for that quote I'd say it's more than appropriate to place it in the article. Elhector 23:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Penn didn't say that Iran can have nuclear weapons. The rhetorical question is, if one nation which has used nuclear weapons, is the world's biggest weapons exporter, invades numerous countries and wages numerous overt and covert wars, kills hundreds of thousands, and is considered a dangerous rogue nation by much of the world can have nuclear weapons, then why can't Iran. It's rather thick to interpret that as saying it's ok for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Also, no one said it was inappropriate to place the quote in the article -- it's the editorial characterization of the quote as being controversial that was questioned. Readers don't need to be told what is or is not controversial. If the statement resulted in controversy, then cite it. -- Jibal 10:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Even if it was a "rehetorical" question I'd still say it's controversial. If he was asking based on a belief that "if one nation which has used nuclear weapons, is the world's biggest weapons exporter, invades numerous countries and wages numerous overt and covert wars, kills hundreds of thousands, and is considered a dangerous rogue nation by much of the world can have nuclear weapons, then why can't Iran." then it's clearly still controversial as the reasoning behind asking the rehetorical question is controversial.  That being said, we would need to find some sort of reliable source saying it caused a controversy, or that it was controversial enough to be noteworthy.  So I leave it back to the original editor that suggested the quote be included in the article to find the source for it.  If no source can be found outside of just saying Sean Penn said this then it should probably be left out.  Celebrities with agendas say all kinds of insane things like this all the time.  Unless it's proven to be noteworthy I'd say leave it out for now.  Wikipedia doesn't need to become a log of every idiotic thing celebreties mutter. Elhector 17:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sigh. It is so much work dealing with thick people. That it's a rhetorical question doesn't have anything to do with it being controversial, it has to do with kevinp2's typically misrepresentative interpretation of what Penn said. As for what you would say about whether it's controversial -- it's irrelevant (and so fortunately I don't have to address your misfired attempt at reasoning); Wikipedia isn't a repository for editors' opinions. And you continue to confuse the issues of whether the statement needs a citation -- yes, of course -- with the characterization of it as controversial -- which also needs to be cited as the opinion of some notable party, not a Wikipedia editor. -- Jibal 09:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow… Ok, if you go back and read what I wrote, I’m pretty much agreeing with you.  You stated that the quote doesn’t belong unless a source can be found “with the characterization of it as controversial -- which also needs to be cited as the opinion of some notable party, not a Wikipedia editor.”  If you read my comment I stated “we would need to find some sort of reliable source saying it caused a controversy, or that it was controversial enough to be noteworthy” in order for the quote to be included in the article.  My statement and your statement are pretty much in line with each other.  I am fully aware my personal opinion of whether or not it’s controvesial statement really means nothing as far as what should be included in the article.  That’s pretty much infered in the tone of my comment.  I’m not really sure why you feel the need to attack myself and user:Kevinp2 in your comment, it’s unconstructive.  You call me “thick” even though I’m of the same opinion as you for including the quote.  You then move on to attack Kevinp2 by classifying his interpertations as misrepresentitive.  The entire point of my comment was to state that this should not be included because there should be no “interpreting” of what someone meant in a biographical Wikipedia article.  The sources for the quote should tell the story, which seems like a far stretch on this one thus my suggestion to leave the quote out of the article.  I guess I just don’t understand how you can call my reasoning “misfired” and call me “thick” when I’m on the same page as you.  I’m trying to look at this thing from a purely encyclopedic standpoint, you seem to be allowing your personal opinions and feelings to get a hold of you in this forum. Elhector 17:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You didn't understand a word I said ... which is consistent with my characterization. Oh well, it's moot. -- Jibal (talk) 06:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I found one mention of this statement on a right wing blog that claims Penn made the statement in 2005 -- not January 24, 2007 as claimed in the WP article. A piece in the SF Chronicle from Aug 23, 2005 quotes Penn: For better and worse, U.S. is a role model ... Not only is "America does it" a blind justification for harassment, fingerprinting and nuclear technology in Iran, it is also rooted in the culture of the country as a kind of aspiration.... As the sentiment there is nearly the opposite of the quote, it seems very unlikely that Penn made the statement attributed to him in the WP article, so I'm removing it. It can be restored if someone finds a reliable citation. -- Jibal 10:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This comment is controversial, and the length and vehemence in this section should prove that. Ejnogarb (talk) 18:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: IMDb
Citing IMDb -- which is an essay and not a policy guideline -- suggests we can cite certain things from IMDb, including cast lists from released films.

An uncredited role would not be in the film's cast list, so information about that in IMDb could not have come from the film but from a user. In cases of uncredited-role claims, we need to seek independent confirmation, particularly for claims about living persons. -- 207.237.223.118 (talk) 19:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As I explained to you on your talk page, no, it isn't necessary to ask for citations for a film role listed as uncredited on IMDb. A great deal of specific information, regarding the particulars of a film itself, are vetted, which means they are confirmed through IMDb employees. Because the site has opened a lot of aspects for user submission does not mean the specifics of a film is not confirmed. It's a completely unnecessary thing to ask for confirmation for another source for a film role listed on IMDb. If you will note on the essay you found, it says specifically IMDb content suitable for Wikipedia: 2. Released films only: Sections such as the cast list, character names, the crew lists, release dates, company credits, awards, soundtrack listing, filming locations, technical specs, alternate titles, running times, and rating certifications. I've been on Wikipedia now for nearly 3 years, I've made well over 20000 edits and work almost exclusively on film and actor articles. Take my word on this. You do not need to ask for a cite for an uncredited role listed on IMDb. Because it was not in the actual credits of the film does not mean the role was not vetted by IMDb. You are mis-analyzing the comment on IMDb usage. It is absolutely acceptable for film credits. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * IMDb employees let errors get into cast and credits list constantly. One TV Guide editor a couple years ago, making a point for the copy editors, added a non-existent "turtle wrangler" credit to a film; it still exists.


 * You're citing an essay -- it's not a policy, and the use of IMDb is highly controversial among Wikipedia editors. But if we're using this essay, it also says contentious things about living persons cannot be sourced with IMDb. Clearly, from this discussion, a claim of an uncredited role is contentions.


 * MDb has even been deprecated from movie infoboxes, the template page for which says IMDb goes into External links.


 * The larger point here is, an editor is asking in good faith for a source citation. It goes against Wiki Etiquette to remove it, and I'm not sure why an editor would not want the most reliable citation possible. -- 207.237.223.118 (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia considers a controversial source -- and I would, in all collaborative honesty, like your take on whether it has been controversial or not -- but IMDb is not an unimpeachable Bible. Therefore, I'm surprised and confounded at why any editor would deliberately want to block another editor from asking for a more reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.223.118 (talk) 20:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No one is pulling your leg, dude. IMDB is considered a reliable source for film roles. It doesn't matter if they are credited on the film itself or not. Whether it is controversial for other things isn't at issue, only the uncredited role. Is it more important for you to be right or to learn something about what is and isn't reliable? LaVidaLoca (talk) 20:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, for an encyclopedia, it's most important that the information be right, of course. But leaving that aside, where is this policy/guideline about the reliability of IMDb coming from? All I can find is a non-binding essay, which really isn't enough justification for removing a legitimate, good-faith request for citation. I've asked another editor as well: With all due respect and genuine sincerity, where are you finding a policy/guideline about citing IMDb? -- 207.237.223.118 (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no one policy or guideline regarding this. The essay was written to reflect consensus that has been determined at several points regarding what is and isn't reliable from IMDb. IMDb receives credits from various guilds to confirm casting and is vetted by IMDb itself. Fairly much everything else is user contributed. If IMDb wasn't acceptable for casting, there would be citations on each and every film role on each bio. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Support for the Communist Regimen of Cuba
This is mentioned in the article about the film "Milk". How can be be such a staunch gay rights supporter if he also supports such an abject anti-gay regimen? There is any sources were he speaks about his view over the communist regimen of Cuba in the issue.81.193.191.89 (talk) 16:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This interview makes clear that he doesn´t really supports the communist regimen of Cuba, but wants to end the embargo to Cuba. 81.193.191.89 (talk) 17:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that an additional section needs to be added about this, at least for the sake of highlighting his connections to the Castro family . Ejnogarb (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on that source, I don't believe you can characterize it as a "relationship" with the Castro family. The article says it was an interview, it does not say they are old friends. You also cannot use another Wikipedia article as a source, and the other two you've added are not considered reliable sources. You have to use only very reliable sources, especially since you've painted him as a Communist sympathizer. The quote you used is taken out of context and is misleading. Please don't forge ahead and something this controversial until you have consensus from other editors. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I had already changed it to "Connections with Communism." The references I used were either transcripts or articles, and are equal in scholarly rapport to other citations on this page. Ejnogarb (talk) 19:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, they aren't. Outside of the content which was already there, from the New York Times, there is a partial transcript from what it says is an appearance on Larry King Live, but it is posted on a different website. As I said, you took the quote from there out of context and ignored everything else that the post actually includes. You used a Wikipedia article, which is a disambiguation page, took the Academy Award comment and placed it in such a way that seems to endorse your supposition that he is a Communist, and then used a biography from Discover the Networks.org to support that he is a member of a group that is part of the Communist party, a site which does not disclose its sources. It isn't considered a reliable source and cannot be used to support a person's membership in something. When you use the sources in this way to arrive at the conclusions you have, it is synthesis and violates WP:BLP. The majority of the references used in the article are mainstream newspapers. The references you offered don't have the same "scholarly rapport". Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Sean Penn's car stolen with two guns inside
On April 10, 2003 his car, a limited edition turbo-charged 1987 Buick Grand National, was stolen while parked outside a restaurant in Berkeley, California where he was having lunch. In the trunk of the car was a loaded 9mm Glock handgun and an unloaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson. The car was later recovered, but the guns remained missing.


 * Source? Ejnogarb (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Member of Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Since 2004
While Sean Penn was invited to join AMPAS in 2004, he is not a member. He said so in a recent interview. CinemaFan28 (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)CinemaFan28
 * Reference? Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPK6MuRWxlM At 2:54, he says, "As it turns out, I am not a member of the Academy." —Preceding unsigned comment added by CinemaMagic11 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Sean Penn / Personal life
Correct typo Recently, Seen... to Recently, Sean..., paragraph 4, Personal life

Recently, Sean has been linked with model Jessica White.

Toughtime (talk) 04:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

projects?
He being a big lover in life, stopped working for this reason! Into to get out.... Somebody got some news?--Danaide (talk) 10:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Are the announced projects real? I#ve read in german papers that Mr.Penn has abandoned all. May be it's a duck?
 * This isn't a gossip rag. All the content regarding work is valid. The rest - won't get gossip here. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Educational background?
Any info on that? We go right from his spanish ancestry to Little House on the Prairie.

Did he finish high school? How about college? Simplemines (talk) 03:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * you are assuming he did? 128.177.178.101 (talk) 03:27, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Support for Hugo Chavez
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/03/08/sean-penn-wants-reporters-jailed-calling-chavez-dictator/

I wonder if Sean has the intelligence to understand how ironic it is that he feels someone should be jailed for calling Chavez a Dictator. Earth to Sean! I wonder if he thinks someone should be jailed for disagreeing wIth Obama? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamitod (talk • contribs) 22:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Any mention of Chavez should include alonzo's letter about penn jewish backgroudn and chavex anti semitism gadfly46  18:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Sean Penn's Political Donations

This should be added as an external link.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Sean_Penn.php Civengr1949 (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)civengr1949

I agree. penn's affinity for leftist dictators and human rights violators should be further developed in this article.--74.195.63.121 (talk) 03:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Updated Personal Information
I'd like to see some information that: Dick Kimball (talk) 12:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As of April 2011 he's living with uber-gorgeous actress Scarlett Johannson
 * They've been dating since January 2011
 * She's less than half his age; he's 50 and she's 24
 * They're living in Penn's 3.8 million Malibu home
 * Both of his children were born prior to his marrying their mother

Penn on Wikipedia
Does anyone else think Sean Penn is himself largely responsible for this article? There are signs of his unmistakeable writing style, and since when did Wiki articles include this sort of thing:

"In 1986 he starred in the drama At Close Range, opposite Christopher Walken. The film was based on a true story and gained positive reviews from critics. Fans and critics noticed the change in Penn's body build. Penn appeared very muscular and in shape. It's considered to be the first film to cash in on Penn's status as a sex symbol."

Or this:

"On April 10, 2003, Penn's 1987 Buick Grand National was stolen in Berkeley, California with two firearms in the trunk. Sean also has a 1968 Chevrolet El Camino."

Even if his car ownership were notable, that's a pretty big non sequitur for an author who isn't Sean Penn.

Just a thought. Ncsaint (talk)


 * I can only agree with this sentiment. I have added a section concerning an open letter sent by Penn in October 2004 to Trey Parker and Matt Stone just prior to the release of Team America:World Police. Since this letter has brought Penn considerable embarrassment and has been widely criticised as unfair on Stone and Parker, thus it is not unfair to comment that it is odd that it was not on the page till now. I urge caution and restraint on permitting (any) detail from being removed from this page, Penn is almost definitely involved or someone in his fan base.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagpipes1 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The article is undoubtedly written like something I would expect to see on seanpenn.com (not even sure if such a page really exists).--74.195.63.121 (talk) 03:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 87.228.193.47, 30 May 2011
hello, i;m an german civil engineeer and architect, leaving libya some weeks ago and like to help you in haiti, look facebook, ricardo senger, ore www.ricardosenger.com, all the best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.228.193.47 (talk) 18:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The above seems like spam. I'd revert it, but I don't know the policy about reversions on Talk pages... WalterGR (talk | contributions) 17:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It's common knowledge that Sean Penn lived with his parents in France during formative years of his life, hence the common and preferred French pronunciation of his name, despite Sean not being a French name. "shaw-peh" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojojo1234 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Smoking
Should the personal life section mention that he smokes 80 cigarettes a day? (92.10.128.86 (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC))

PAGE PROTECTION
I am at a loss as to why this page has been afforded protection. Would anyone with any real reason as to why this page has been given this protection please comment.

In the absence of such a comment; would an administrator please unprotect this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagpipes1 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 130.179.61.118, 19 August 2011
Sean is my favourite actor and he just turned 51. Just wanted to remind you to update his age is all. Thanks :)!!!

P.S: Bobby De Niro also has the same birthday btw.

130.179.61.118 (talk) 15:12, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Its already done, automatically-- Jac 16888 Talk 15:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

open letter to trey and matt
This section is pretty meaningless and trivial, does anyone else think it should be removed? DFS (talk) 21:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

movie list needs fixing
Please someone with the right permissions fix the 'Filmography and awards' section which, for the film from 2011 'there must be the place', is missing the year column for this movie. The title and the role are showing in the wrong columns. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotif (talk • contribs) 01:46, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Back Story.
Penn is a communist, and doesnt deserve recognition what year did Sean Penn graduate from high school?

Rexelwood (talk) 01:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

beating up women
Why is there nothing in the article about how he's beat up former wives and girlfriends including Madonna?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1157780/Is-Madonna-love-Sean-Penn-man-beat-baseball-bat.html And then there was his constant criticism and violence. Once, he tied her to a chair and beat her. Another time, he hit her with a baseball bat. He threatened to shave her head. He chased her out of their hotel room. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.30.164 (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This piece makes him sound like a tree hugging socialist. this allegations have been widely reported and to my mind could be included consistently with wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. Flagpolewiki (talk) 09:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * May I suggest you read the "Personal life" section? --Artoasis (talk) 04:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 February 2012
Reference nr. 14 'Mister Congeniality' is a dead link. This one works: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3668537/Sean-Penn-Mr-Congeniality.html ...but it is from another news paper, I do not know if it is the same article.

Tmo720 (talk) 08:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The link has been fixed. Thank you for the information. --Artoasis (talk) 12:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Please add link to Rod Liddle in Spectator where he describes Penn as a Fuckwit for his views -http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/7672953/how-to-describe-sean-penns-article.thtml. K Holway, England.

Smoking
Shouldn't the article mention the fact that Penn has admitted smoking up to 80 cigarettes a day? (92.7.24.173 (talk) 22:38, 13 February 2012 (UTC))

Edit request on 20 March 2012
The son of Leo Penn, surname was originally Spanish "Piñon."

end 92.236.255.104 (talk) 00:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Elaboration on Sean Penn's contributions to J/R HRO
I would like to contribute to the section on Sean Penn's page titled, 2010 Haiti earthquake: Manager of Relief Organization and Tent Camp, and elaborate on what the organization is doing to help Haitians. This is what I would like to add: Sean Penn has been actively involved in the rebuilding of Haiti beginning days after the 2010 Haiti earthquake. After hearing the news of this tragedy, Penn was in Haiti almost immediately contributing to the rescuing of the victims. Shortly after, Sean Penn co-founded the J/P Haitian Relief Organization and has been running a 55,000 person tent camp.[39] Penn’s main goal of the J/P HRO is to save lives and bring the Haitian survivors quick and effective relief programs to help rebuild their lives after the devastating earthquake that left many people homeless. The program also provides emergency response and ensures that there are services available for all camp residents to improve their quality of life. The J/R HRO also provides free education for over 400 children who are unable to afford it. Sean Penn’s selfless humanitarian work in Haiti has come to the attention of other renowned individuals like Penn himself. Oprah Winfrey stated that Penn’s work is a “very profound example of what can be done to make a difference in the world”. meanwhile Anderson Cooper said, “He’s there to work…and save lives”. J/P HRO has a website that attracts the attention of the public in order to encourage people to actively participate and contribute to the campaign.

Pineom (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It reads like promotional material. The quotes from Oprah Winfrey and Anderson Cooper and uses of the words "selfless," "quick," and "effective" are not neutral. Have a look at Wikipedia's neutrality rule for more.  City O f  Silver  21:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I removed the biased words, and attmempted to make the post more neautral:
 * Sean Penn has been actively involved in the rebuilding of Haiti beginning days after the 2010 Haiti earthquake. After hearing the news of this tragedy, Penn was in Haiti almost immediately contributing to the rescuing of the victims . Shortly after, Sean Penn co-founded the J/P Haitian Relief Organization and has been running a 55,000 person tent camp.[39] Penn’s main goal of the J/P HRO is to save lives and bring the Haitian survivors relief programs to help rebuild their lives after the devastating earthquake that left many people homeless . The program also provides emergency response and ensures that there are services available for all camp residents to improve their quality of life . The J/R HRO also provides free education for over 400 children who are unable to afford it . The organization has different programs to ensure the safety of the surviving Haitians in all areas of life such as the redevelopment of many homes, and medical services provided free to those who were affected by the earthquake. J/R HRO has a website that promotes awareness and allows people to donate to the cause.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pineom (talk • contribs) 22:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Pineom (talk) 22:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I still feel like it's promoting his charity too much by going down the laundry list of things it does. It's like if you elaborate too much, that's all you're doing is listing the charity's activities.  City O f  Silver  22:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Sean Penn's J/R HRO
please change the section 2010 Haiti earthquake: Manager of Relief Organization and Tent Camp

After the 2010 Haiti earthquake, Sean Penn co-founded the J/P Haitian Relief Organization and has been running a 55,000 person tent camp.[39]

to,

Sean Penn has been actively involved in the rebuilding of Haiti beginning days after the 2010 Haiti earthquake. After hearing the news of this tragedy, Penn was in Haiti almost immediately contributing to the rescuing of the victims. Shortly after, Sean Penn co-founded the J/P Haitian Relief Organization and has been running a 55,000 person tent camp.[39] Penn’s main goal of the J/P HRO is to save lives and bring the Haitian survivors relief programs to help rebuild their lives after the devastating earthquake that left many people homeless. The program also provides emergency response and ensures that there are services available for all camp residents to improve their quality of life. The J/R HRO also provides free education for over 400 children who are unable to afford it. The organization has different programs to ensure the safety of the surviving Haitians in all areas of life such as the redevelopment of many homes, and medical services provided free to those who were affected by the earthquake. J/R HRO has a website that promotes awareness and allows people to donate to the cause. This is important because the original section does not provide enough information on the organization and it would be helpful for wikipedia users to know more about Penn's organization and the different ways they are helping the Haitians. Pineom (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Pineom (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: The second sentence is not supported by the source and the last few sentences are not appropriate for an article about Sean Penn. This is not a venue for promoting a cause. Celestra (talk) 00:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Falklands
Details should be added about the comments of Tim Stanley, a columnist in The Telegraph newspaper, who wrote that "It’s time Sean Penn handed his Malibu estate back to the Mexicans", in response to Penn's slanderous comments that Britain was a 'colonist' and 'imperialist' nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrisT94 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Sean pens father Religion
in the "early life" section add Sean Penns father relegion as a Roman Catholic. leo Penn is burried in a Roman Catholic cemetary.

"Burial in the consecrated ground of a Catholic Cemetery, among fellow believers, is the final expression of our faith as Catholics. Each Catholic Cemetery serves as a sanctuary where we seek solace and a symbolic reminder that death is not the end but a prelude to our resurrection and everlasting life."

http://www.holycrossmortuary.com/about/cemetery.html/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Cross_Cemetery,_Culver_City/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amtor1 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's possible that he converted to Catholicism from Judaism at some point, but I haven't seen a source for that. His wife described him as a "non-practicing Jew" in the book Sean Penn: His Life and Times. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 02:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Dating Life
He is actually dating an Argentinian actriss, called Calu Rivero. They where spotted in Buenos Aires a few times — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.17.48.193 (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Details of assault on Madonna
Is this worth adding?

http://meretremfuit.tumblr.com/post/31840927205/seriously-trigger-warning-relationship-violence

124.170.25.247 (talk) 14:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Penn met with the Head of State of Bolivia Evo Norales and announced that he will come back to bolivia on december 21 to be a part of the summer solstice ceremony.

On behalf of the Government, President Evo Morales invited the American actor Sean Penn to become Bolivia's ambassador concerning the ocean acces demand to Chile, defense of acullico (Coca leaves chewing) and extradition of former President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada from the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.129.184.84 (talk) 04:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Requesting controversy section
There's been alot of this Sean Penn has done that got him quite a bit of controversy one of which involved not only his respect to Latin dictators, but his claim that anyone calling Hugo Chavez a dictator should be thrown into prison. Those only serve as examples. That being said, I believe that it's only fair to post a controversy section for such claims that he made, but i'd like to discuss this first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 22:56, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

No opposition to the conversy section. If your against such an add talk to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 03:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I oppose the leading wording of this section: "Support for censorship against criticism against Hugo Chávez". In the article which is provided as a source he is not saying that he supports censorship, but that journalists should be punished for publishing lies. I'm not sure that opposing sensationalist inaccuracies amounts to support for censorship. This section would only be accurate if it were a proven fact that Hugo Chávez is a dictator, something which is generally not seen to be the case outside the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.70.14 (talk) 20:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 December 2012
In the section on humanitarian causes, this should be added: "On October 30th, 2012, Penn presented evidence to President Evo Morales that American businessman Jacob Ostreicher should be freed. Penn has visited Ostreicher in prison on several occasions.

Rivkyb52 (talk) 18:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it shouldn't. We don't include every single thing the subject of an article has ever done. A one-off event that wasn't part of a broader campaign that he is notable for being involved with is not worth including. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please Sean Penn come to Brazil to watch "Colegas"
Please Sean Penn, watch this video and come to Brazil! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHNTPdy0CIM Thanks! 92.74.249.220 (talk) 22:44, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Dictator Chávez???
Please, someone. Clean biased part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.62.226.31 (talk) 10:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 March 2013
Would like to add Penn's most recent controversy in that he appears to have raised his son to be a racist homophobe. http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2013/03/27/penns-son-hurls-racist-homophobic-slurs-at-paparazzo/2024793/

65.50.13.55 (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Also you need to provide specific text that you would like added to the article, and that text must be in line with the policies on verifiability and neutral point-of-view. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Mathew Penn ?!
Anybody knows something about a producer an director so called... "Damages" a TV serie announces him. An alter ego of sean justin... green card question!--78.34.167.141 (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 May 2013
Change the picture. It makes him look morbidly old when he's actually 52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.173.1.115 (talk) 01:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Sean Penn is Founder of J/P Haitian Relief Organization, not co-founder
Please change "Sean Penn co-founded the J/P Haitian Relief Organization" to "Sean Penn founded the J/P Haitian Relief Organization" because he is the sole founder and CEO of the organization.

See article from Yahoo! News: http://news.yahoo.com/photos/founder-ceo-chairman-board-j-p-haitian-relief-photo-224155194.html

Lbalaban (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ (Although I used a different source). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Outrageous public conduct
Once again public video emerged week of 11/20/2013 of this public figure verbally/physically attacking another Human Being. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psyclawps (talk • contribs) 19:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 April 2012
I would like to add that in 2001, Penn made a guest appearance on the show Friends.

end — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlainHajjar (talk • contribs) 03:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

he was a guest star in two and a half men — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.204 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree. TV show appearances are important exposure and should be included. In fact, I got to this page because I was watching Friends Season 8, Episodes 6 & 7 and wondering who "Eric" was. Neutralityisimportant (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

El Chapo
His article and interview of El Chapo should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darcita (talk • contribs) 19:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * how has his interaction with el chapo not bbeen included ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.208.228 (talk) 04:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Inadequate coverage of domestic abuse
There are multiple sources detailing how Sean Penn bound Madonna to a chair and beat and abused her for 9 hours. He was even arrested, though the charges were later dropped. This is barely mentioned and does a disservice to the public. A new section detailing his propensity for violence and issues with domestic violence should be mentioned, like it is in Chris Brown's article.

Some sources: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19911106&slug=1315618 http://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_are_better_than_you/sean-penn-is-a-violent-abusive-terrible-human-being.php http://www.boston.com/ae/blogs/mediaremix/2013/11/madonna_and_sean_penn_are_back.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.67.8.114 (talk) 15:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added a more descriptive section header, but feel free to create an account and add the information yourself (though be careful to use neutral language, especially if nothing went to trial). &#161;Bozzio&#33; 16:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

"I am aware of the allegations that have surfaced over the years accusing Sean of incidents of physical assault and abuse against me. Specifically, I am aware of the allegations concerning an alleged incident that occurred in June, 1987, whereby (according to tabloid reports), Sean allegedly struck me with ‘a baseball bat.’ I know the allegations in those and other reports to be completely outrageous, malicious, reckless, and false.I am also aware of allegations concerning an incident that occurred in December, 1989, which purportedly resulted in Sean’s arrest for domestic assault and battery against me. I know those allegations to be false.While we certainly had more than one heated argument during our marriage, Sean has never struck me, ‘tied me up,’ or physically assaulted me, and any report to the contrary is completely outrageous, malicious, reckless, and false." — Madonna, in submitted court declaration www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/madonna-submits-declaration-court-sean-849891 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.228.120 (talk) 04:04, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on June 23 2016
Within the "Acting"-section of the "Career"-section, the same source (www.forbes.com/2010/01/22/sean-penn-eddie-murphy-business-entertainment-star-flops.html) is cited twice for the same claim (The "Next, Penn portrayed governor Willie Stark (based on Huey Long) in an adaptation of Robert Penn Warren's classic 1946 American novel All the King's Men (2006). The film was a critical and commercial failure, named by a 2010 Forbes article as the biggest flop in the last five years"-claim). Isn't that redundant? Shouldn't one of them be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.111.69.45 (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2017
Why don't you tell the truth that Sean's kid brother Chris suicided, and did not merely die.....that is important to get to the core of this actor's genius 2606:6000:F507:BC00:F19D:31BF:602D:3111 (talk) 08:38, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  10:38, 24 February 2017 (UTC)