Talk:Seat of the European Parliament in Strasbourg

To do
Thanks to RCS we have lots of new information on Strasbourg. However what we are missing now is infomation on Luxembourg. Anyone know where we can get it? -  J Logan t: 19:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Spilt
What do you think about splitting this into a Brussels and a Strasbourg page? Might help organisation and keeping things tidy, seems logical as they are two separate sites and we have enough data now, we don't even have much common data between the two sections. I propose; What do you think?- J Logan t: 10:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seat of the European Parliament in Strasbourg -as it is the official seat and the complex has no overarching name and we can talk about past buildings
 * Espace Léopold -as that is the name of the whole complex (for the Flemings/Dutch, I have never heard the Dutch translation being used in English - ever) and it would be buildings only due to the B&EU article covering history
 * European Parliament in Luxembourg -as it could be expanded on the general activities of the EP in Luxembourg rather than just the buildings
 * Sounds fine.--RCS (talk) 15:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good, done. I've tagged on extra data as I split the two.- J Logan t: 21:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Title of this article
The title of this article is rather unwieldy. It seems redundant to have "in Strasbourg" as part of the title of the article; it would be like having an article entitled "Capital of Germany in Berlin". I would suggest renaming the article to "Buildings of the European Parliament in Strasbourg" or "European Parliament buildings in Strasbourg". Also, the intro paragraph should be recast. --Mathew5000 (talk) 22:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The second title suggestion sounds better, imo. RCS (talk) 07:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the introduction. RCS (talk) 09:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Depends if you count Brussels as a "seat" (as a common way of saying working location rather than the technical def). Also, it could allow for expansion of the article to cover the history of the parliament in the city?- J Logan t: 10:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Brueghel
. Just a little iconography. RCS (talk) 11:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Louise Weiss dates
started in May 2005 ??? --triwbe (talk) 11:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Typo of course. Read: 1995. Have corrected. Thank you! --RCS (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Split again?
Unlike Espace Leopold, the secondary buildings here are totally different, separated from the main building, much older, different style and not really contiguous in any sense. We have quite a bit on LW and the infobox refers to that only. Perhaps it might be good to split off secondary and have former merely as a note (as that is covered by the institutions page anyway). Only problem is, if we have it as each building, then we end up with three micro articles and if we have it as one, what do we call it? Thoughts?- J.Logan`t : 16:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No, why splitting? IPE 1, 2, 3 and 4 are interconnected by bridges and corridors, and the whole has grown quite organically: first IPE 1 and 2, then IPE 3 and then IPE 4, with only a few years between the end of one building site and the start of another. Another problem is that we don't even know the name of the architects involved in IPE 1, 2 and 3 (i searched and didn't manage to find - maybe in the archives of the Dernières Nouvelles d'Alsace one day), without this knowledge, you can't possibly start a valuable article about a building or a set of buildings. --RCS (talk) 18:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Granted, it was more for the benefit of the LW section than those buildings. Who might know that kind of data though? We could start sending emails, but then again that is OR isn't it?- J.Logan`t : 16:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Couldn't find the info?: Architects for WC and SdM were F. Sauer, J. P. Freidmann and the Strasboug City architectural dept.. Built 1980, 1988 and 1991. WC: Meeting rooms, common departments and services (resturantes, nursury, libraries etc.) for MEPs. SdM: administration and other deparmtns. Ombudsman on 7th floor. IPE 3 was designed by Sauer and the Strasboug City architectural dept. and built in 1991, was press centre till LW opened, now generic departments.- J.Logan`t : 19:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, i couldn't find the info. But this is probably because i use the French language version of Google.--RCS (talk) 20:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Haha! Its a curious thing when you can find information on a building in France in English but not French! Says something about the world...- J.Logan`t : 20:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect link to seating order
Reference 14 refers to the wrong target, correct one is http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sed/doc/ext/hemicycle/PLAN_STR.pdf

Can't figure out how to change it, maybe someone else can do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.173.180.68 (talk) 11:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ --RCS (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Eschatology
I've removed some nonsense about the Tower of Babel, sourced to a blog by this bloke on the internet. Yes, I know Glenn Beck has repeated it on his show but that doesn't change my opinion on the appropriateness of the reference. Any questions? --TS 18:58, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well - yes: did you remove it *because* Glenn Beck used it or in spite of it? Since you started talking of opinions... --Insert coins (talk) 20:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Some other bloke on the internet alerted me to Beck's solecism. I came to Wikipedia to see if there was any reliable evidence to support it, noticed the blog-supported nonsense and removed it. Synergy! There's no Hebrew word for that, you know. --TS 20:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Glenn Beck can hardly be treated as a reliable source (to put it lightly), especially for a fact that is disputed. Academic, official or first hand sources only for this.- J.Logan`t : 20:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Conflation of two issues?
Will all due respect, I think you guys are conflating two issues, thus muddying the debate. The first issue is: was the LWB actually designed to resemble the Tower of Babel as painted by Bruegel? The answer is: of course not. The second issue is: are there persistent rumors, Internet memes, urban legends etc. claiming the LWB was designed to resemble the Tower of Babel as painted by Bruegel? The answer is: yes, plenty, and several already many years old. So the question is not of the veracity of a fringe theory but of its notability. Should we source the claim that the design of the building consciously mirrors the Bruegel ToB? No way - it is obviously absurd. Should we mention as a notable fact that there are many bloggers - however lunatic or scare-mongering they may appear - who make this claim? I think we should. It used to be a fringe theory, but Beck has pushed it into the mainstream, even if it (rightly) exposed him to (even more) ridicule. So, the suggestion I make is to reword this section accordingly, instead of just shoving it under the carpet. See also Paul is dead. --Insert coins (talk) 10:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In order to state it is notable as a misconception, we should have more than Glenn Beck surely?- J.Logan`t : 09:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In terms of seriousness: surely. In terms of audience: I think he reaches more than enough people. Unfortunately so. --Insert coins (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

What about the Truth? Suggestion
The fringe theory is not the one saying that Parliament building was designed to emulate an artist's depiction of the Tower of Babel. Posters published by the Council of Europe from 1992 to 1996 document that design: | Council of Europe poster of EU Parliament building emulating an artist's concept of the Tower of Babel

The fringe theory that should possibly have been discredited is the one imputing a religious motive to a secular organization, which is what most of the internet memes of this building are about. That wasn't done. Instead, an opposing fringe theory to the effect that the Parliament building does not emulate the artist's concept of Tower of Babel was put forth - without a shred of evidence - and others here apparently fell for it.

The result is damage to the neutrality and credibility of this page for the past 4 years, along with suggesting to the conspiracy-minded, a theory that someone has something to hide about the design of the EU Parliament building. To be sure, emulating the design of an ancient religious structure, apparently without anticipating that others would interpret it as a religious statement, was short-sighted, but that's water under the bridge, down the stream, and out to sea by now.

Denial of the obvious is not going to discredit fringe theories, but give them unwarranted credibility. Further, denial of the obvious is not WP's purpose.

I may eventually find time to repair that section of the article. Then again, I may not, so this is a suggestion that someone do so. Downstrike (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I hear the sound of a dead horse being beaten... Honestly, this is a non-problem if there ever was one. --Insert coins (talk) 08:45, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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