Talk:Seattle Coffee Works/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: TrademarkedTWOrantula (talk · contribs) 02:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Here I am again. TWOrantula TM (enter the web) 02:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reviewing! Looking forward to collaborating. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was away for a while; had to do some Christmas stuff and whatnot. I'll get started with the review soon.  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 07:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Quickfail?

 * I spotted no major flaws in the article. Good to go.
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing too bad, according to Earwig.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see any cleanup banners or citation needed tags.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is stable; there have been no recent edit wars.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There are no prior GA reviews.
 * Correct! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Important issues

 * I feel as though there are too many images here. You could remove the branded coffee cup and use the multi-image template to group images together.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why "circa 2022"?
 * Because this source (published June 2022) says "recently closed". If you feel that's good enough to confirm the restaurant closed in 2022, I'm happy to remove "circa". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * As noted in the GA table, a lot of the quotes found in the article can be removed or paraphrased. I'll note these changes in a separate section.
 * There shouldn't be any citations in the lead section per WP:CITELEAD. The citations in that section don't really cite anything controversial.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Lead

 * In addition to the flagship in downtown - might want to clarify that this is downtown Seattle; kind of reads weirdly
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Shorten the second "Seattle Coffee Works" to SCW (the one right after the word "downtown")
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why'd Capitol Coffee Works close?
 * I didn't really come across specific reasons in reliable sources. I would not consider this blog a reliable source, but even it doesn't really go into detail. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * in the city, in the state of Washington, and in the nation -> "in the city, Washington, and the United States"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Just want to clarify: does "flagship" mean the one who owns the branches or is this another SCW location? I'm not really well-versed in business stuff, so yeah
 * Collins Dictionary says, "A flagship store is the most important store in a chain, often with the largest volume of sales, or the most up-to-date formats or layouts." To me, a flagship store is kind of like a business' headquarters, but more in terms of main location instead of an office building. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

 * "Seattle" is linked three times. For readability purposes, I'd recommend keeping the first link.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, link Pike Street for the second image's caption
 * Good call! ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've also linked to 1st Avenue (Seattle) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Description

 * The company's "Coffee-drinking Man" imagery - I'd consider the man to be a mascot, but it's up to you to change it.
 * I think of him more as a logo. I searched "Seattle Coffee Works"+"mascot" at Google, and nothing really came up, so I'm reluctant to specifically use "mascot" without sources confirming. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thrillist has said, "Grab a great espresso at the 'Express Bar', or indulge your inner coffee geek and visit the science lab-esque 'Slow Bar' to observe the skilled baristas as they model various brewing methods." - This entire quote isn't necessary; current citation #5 already verifies that there is an express bar and slow bar.
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Amid the frenetic action of downtown is a cafe that truly treats its coffee like wine. Seattle Coffee Works' woody interior is split in two, with a normal walk-up counter and a ‘slow bar’ where staff will brew your coffee to order and discuss its taste notes like enthusiastic oenologists." - You could cut the first sentence, or you could try my paraphrased version:
 * "Lonely Planet describes the 'woody interior', writing about SCW's slow bar."
 * I went with "Lonely Planet has noted its woody interior". Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Seattle Metropolitan has said, "One of the city's original geeky coffee temples—opened a Capitol Hill outpost, where it's less espresso factory and more reading nook; there's even a hanging macrame chair in the back. -> Seattle Metropolitan said that SCW is "less espresso factory" and "more reading nook", noting the presence of a macrame chair.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Expect a minimal yet on-point approach to coffee, with a handful of espresso and milk drinks plus the standard brewed-to-order slow bar options." - I mean, part of me thinks this quote isn't necessary. You could simply mention SCW has coffee, espresso, and milk drinks, rather than taking someone else's words for it.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "carried baked goods" -> "sells"
 * ✅, except I replaced with "sold" since The London Plane is no longer in operation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

History

 * "began as a pop-up shop in an old T-shirt store in downtown Seattle. Inexperienced and new to the Seattle coffee scene, the owners wanted to create a space where people could try espresso from roasters all over the city... A short four years later, they weren't serving everyone else's coffee; they were roasting their own" -> started as a pop-up shop where the owners provided espressos sourced throughout the area. Around four years later, they began to produce their own coffee.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * SCW has a no-tip policy. - Not sure if this is elaborated on.
 * "After voluntarily boosting wages to $19 an hour in 2017, up from $12, Simsch says workers – who now earn at least $22 an hour after annual wage increases – are generally happier, turnover is nil, and productivity has shot through the roof." -> ...that Simsch thought workers became "generally happier" after the wage was raised, noting that "turnover is nil".
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the COVID-19 link could be replaced with this?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "While Simsch had to let 20 staffers go, he transferred many of his remaining 15 workers to the company's new monthly coffee-subscription service and e-commerce coffee sales." - Wait... e-commerce coffee sales? Coffee-subscription? Also change to: Simsch released 20 employees, moving the remaining 15 to a new coffee-subscription service.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Should you link chief executive officer?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * the owner of Victrola Coffee Roasters
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In 2007, the Daily Journal of Commerce said, "Seattle Coffee Works has opened at 111 Pike Street near Pike Place Market. The cafe combines a museum of Seattle coffee and a tasting center for locally roasted coffees. It has brews from Caffe D'Arte, Caffe Umbria and Vashon Coffee Co. The signature drink is a three shots of espresso served on a silver platter." -> In 2007, the Daily Journal of Commerce described SCW's selection of locally roasted coffees, including brands from Caffe D'Arte, Caffe Umbria, and Vashon Coffee Co.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Where'd the flagship store relocate to?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Reception

 * I think we can safely assume that SCW is considered the best in not only Seattle, or the state, but the entire nation. If you want to, you can add a topic sentence at the top of this section.
 * "On a busy summer day, its proximity to the popular Pike Place Market can make Seattle Coffee Works feel overwhelmingly touristy." -> that since the coffee shop is close the Pike Place Market, SCW could feel "overwhelmingly touristy"
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * She recommended, "Ignore the out-of-towners and sidle over to the Slow Bar, where you can prop yourself on a stool and sample coffees from around the world, prepared in a variety of ways (pressed, siphoned, etc.)." -> and recommended the Slow Bar.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is "tasting (cupping)" quoted?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You could link hot chocolate; it's a beverage, and we are talking about a restaurant that serves beverages.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Starbucks is far away enough to be linked twice.
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ...This unpretentious coffeehouse Downtown is a longstanding Seattle mainstay, serving up a variety of blended brews and other buzzy drinks." -> and commented that SCW serves "blended brews" and "buzzy drinks".
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecking

 * I will select 12 references at random.
 * #1
 * ✅ Seattle Coffee Works (SCW) is a third-wave coffee company based in Seattle, in the U.S. state of Washington. - Doesn't really confirm anything. All it describes is the restaurant's features.
 * Moved citation from lead to article body re: Obama Blend. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * #7
 * ✅ Lonely Planet has noted its woody interior.
 * #8
 * ✅ The Ballard location has been described as "airy". - Really subtle, but it's there.
 * #11
 * ✅ Established near Seattle's Pike Place Market in 2006, - I'd recommend moving this citation at the end of "Market" instead of "2006"; the source only mentions that SCW is "just steps away from Pike Place Market."
 * I would prefer to keep the inline citation after the punctuation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * #24
 * ✅ "Seattle Coffee Works has opened at 111 Pike Street near Pike Place Market. The cafe combines a museum of Seattle coffee and a tasting center for locally roasted coffees. It has brews from Caffe D'Arte, Caffe Umbria, and Vashon Coffee Co. The signature drink is a three shots of espresso served on a silver platter." - This is literally the entire text.
 * #35
 * ✅ The taping also allowed customers to sample the Colombia Cup of Excellence for free. - Pretty unbelievable.
 * #42
 * ✅ and Cascade Coffee Works.
 * #51
 * ✅ A third location opened at Broadway and Pike on Capitol Hill in 2017. - Also, shouldn't this be in Capitol Hill?
 * #55 ✅ Cascade Coffee Works opened in South Lake Union in 2017.
 * #61
 * ✅ The Not for Tourists Guide to Seattle has said, "To these guys, making coffee is not work." - Cite error: 2015 guide points to 2016 one, and the 2016 guide points to the 2017 one. Whoops. This isn't a cite error.
 * #73
 * ✅ The business was included in the Daily Hive's 2019 list of 10 "Seattle coffee shops aficionados can't afford to miss",
 * #78
 * ✅ In Moon Baseball Road Trips (2021), Timothy Malcolm said "the service [at the Pine Street location] is so on point that you'll get your cup within three minutes". - Not sure where you got the Pine Street location part from

Other stuff

 * Should you add List of coffeehouse chains to the see also section?
 * ✅ --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:25, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

I think I'm caught up with addressing your concerns, but please let me know if any remain, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Not done yet.  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 17:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No prob!, just letting you know I'm caught up. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Another Believer Looks like I'm done here. Please notify me when you have addressed these changes. Thanks,  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 06:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @TrademarkedTWOrantula I think I've addressed all of your concerns, but please let me know if any remain. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright... passing this article now. Merry Christmas and a happy new year!  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 16:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)