Talk:Seattle Sounders (1994–2008)

Possible merge/additional note
Apparently Kitsap Pumas have this franchise's USL transfer rights noted here - would that make them the continuation of this franchise, and if so what changes need to be made to the article? SportingFlyer (talk) 22:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
Sonoma County Sol MPSL, scfcsol.com

Image:Seattle Sounders APSL Logo.jpg
Hi, this image is a copyright violation and may soon be deleted from the Commons. If you want to use the image, please consider uploading it locally according to fair use provisions. Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 16:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:SeattleSounders83.GIF
Hi, this image is a suspected copyright violation and may soon be deleted from the. If you want to keep this image, please consider uploading it locally under fair use provisions. Thank you. pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

NASL Sounders v. USL Sounders (v. MLS Sounders)
The article doesn't make it clear if the new Sounders are considered to be a renewal of the old Sounders franchise, taking the NASL clubs records with it. The article simply confuses the issue. The section on titles/championships combines the two, while there are separate sections for the year-by-year standings of each. Please address. If they are the "same team," much as the two versions of the NFL's Cleveland Browns are considered to be the same team, then let's combine the year-by-year and NASL sections and address this issue in the article. If not, perhaps separate articles would clarify. Goeverywhere 20:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, these are completely different franchises and should be separated ASAP. The original team was a Division 1 team and the current team is Div 2, named after the original. North America(MLS) doesn't promote minor league teams to the pros either. -- 192.234.2.80 01:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

When/if the Sounders join MLS (as anticipated), I assume that this whole page will transfer to a historical page, with the Seattle Sounders actual page covering just the MLS team, like San Jose's: "This article is about the MLS franchise. For the NASL/MISL/WSA club, see San Jose Earthquakes (NASL)." Correct?

National flags for coaches
Both Neil Megson and Bernie James have English flags next to their names. However, they have both lived in the U.S. most of their lives, attending high school here and playing their entire professional careers in the U.S. They also played for U.S. national team. They may have been born in England, but they are Americans. I recommend either scrapping the use of flags for the coaches or converting them to U.S. flags.Mohrflies 03:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

MLS Expansion
Does this mean that the existing Seattle Sounders are going to be closed or move to another city? The article could be more clear about that, are the MLS side just considered a continuation of the existing club? Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion below. - GTBacchus(talk) 15:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Seattle Sounders (USL) → Seattle Sounders (1994–2008) — The current naming conventions of these pages are misleading and unencyclopedic. By being named "Seattle Sounders (USL)", the article fails to mention that the team also competed in the A-League and American Professional Soccer League in addition to the USL First Division. Moving the NASL page as well would leave the pages with favorable naming conventions and a clearer representation of their lineage. Similar naming conventions can already be found at Edmonton Drillers, Fort Lauderdale Strikers, San Diego Sockers, San Jose Earthquakes (1974–1988), Tampa Bay Rowdies (1975–1993) Cmjc80 (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Seattle Sounders (NASL) → Seattle Sounders (1974–1983)
 *  Oppose Lean oppose Same name does not mean the same entity which could be implied by just using the years. This could cause confusion regarding the MLS team since they are different organizations. This causes further concern since the NASL team was a different organization so naming the three articles for different clubs that have been named Sounders by league makes a simple and non confusing standard for the three articles. From my understanding, the ASL tean was wrapped into the USL so the current/last name name for that league might be fine (hence Sounders USL) but you could also go Seattle Sounders (ASL and USL) if needed. You also named other articles. I know you made several changes lately in the topic area. Would you mind listing the ones you personally changed and addressing if the issue is mirrored? Thanks.Cptnono (talk) 02:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC) Follow-up: Cmjc80's reasoning has partially convinced me that this might be appropriate. I stil think there is a concern that it could lead towards confusion but I might be over analyzing it. I do not believe there is a precedent at this time due to the differences between the teams and the recent potentially needed changes. However, the dates could be viewed similar to people with the same name. And it would be a great solution to the current concern at the Vancouver Whitecaps page (some editors there argue that it is the same team over there and the dates may not imply if it is or is not). I realistically have little problem with it as long as Seattle Sounders FC stays Seattle Sounders FC.Cptnono (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The purpose of an encyclopedia is to create an easy referece for looking up information. Everyone understands dates and can easily identify which team they are looking for. Acronyms aren't as easy to navigate unless you know what the acronym stands for before reading an article.  Listing multiple acronyms is an ever poorer and confusing option.  There is nothing about start/end dates that implies the clubs were at all related, its actually a defined indication that the club ceased to exist after that date, something acronyms don't do. Cmjc80 (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)Follow-up I agree about the MLS team, Seattle Sounders FC would not be moved and use a similar format to San Jose Earthquakes where the MLS club is treated as a primary topic Cmjc80 (talk) 21:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * To me, this seems like a silly argument. As long as it is consistent (use either the acronyms or the dates, NOT both), it is fine.  There should be a precedent already set by other teams.  What do they do?KitHutch (talk) 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Most other teams use dates, some moved by myself, some by other editors. There were instances where a mix/match of dates and leagues were used and because of teams changing leagues(similar to the Sounders) dates were the only uniform option.Cmjc80 (talk) 23:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * An additional reason to for a move is that there have now been two leagues that go by the name NASL. How would you know if the team is being associated with North American Soccer League or North American Soccer League (2010)?
 * Why don'y you just read the article to find out? KitHutch (talk) 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The purpose of an identifier is to clearly distinguish articles from each other. NASL is now an ambiguous identifier that defeats the purpose Cmjc80 (talk) 23:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Stadiums
There's a very common misconception that I'm trying to correct in several places, however I'm a Wikipedia rookie and not sure I'll be able to get it through.

The Sounders entry and the Qwest field entry claim that the Sounders played in the first event ever at Qwest field, but having been at the game, I can affirm that's not the case. There was a double header, and the Sounders Select Women played the first game earlier in the afternoon.

Here's a couple of references to back up my claim.

http://www.seattlepi.com/othersports/80456_soun29.shtml ("SELECTS WIN: The Sounders Select Women defeated the Vancouver Breakers 4-3 in overtime in a warm-up to the main event.")

http://seattlepitch.tripod.com/news/news2002.html (scroll to July 28th) ("In the first half of a double header in the new Seahawks Stadium, the Sounders Select Women turned in an exciting performance, beating the Vancouver Breakers 4-3 after extra time.") —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contagion21 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)