Talk:Seaxnēat

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The article refers to the association of Seaxneat with Swords and Essex. Could this be the reason that the that Swords remain the symbol of Essex?


 * While linking to the IPA key, I noticed that the pronunciation did not correspond to our description of Old English. If this word is irregular, please correct but leave the link, and maybe add a footnote to clarify. kwami (talk) 21:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

gutted.
Some, at least interesting, possible etymologies were removed, such as the following: ''Seaxnéat or Saxnot is the mythical founder of the Saxons. Seaxnéat seems to have been a god unique to the Saxons, although he has been compared to Tyr. His name is said to mean either "knife bull" or "bull of the Saxons", Old Saxon nōt English neat being an old word for "ox, cattle, bovine". However other theories for the second element "-not" put forth from other Germanic languages include Norse -njótr meaning "enjoy" or "friend of", -nöt meaning "spear" & -nøti meaning "mark" or "sign". '' 70.59.140.179 (talk) 18:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I see what is going on there. neát "cattle, ox", but ge-neát "companion". What unites the two is that both are useful (as in needed, as in nytt). --dab (𒁳) 12:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Turns out that For-njōtr cognate in Old English is *Fornēt. here's a link to the attested word: http://www.bosworthtoller.com/011624

However, I do know that Proto-Germanic eu usually became ēa in Old English and ō in Old Saxon. Some say that the Baptismal Vow is a Franconian invention. Even then, PG au became ō in Old High German.

Found a "Seaxnet" here in the link below: https://books.google.ca/books?id=UNU9AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA445&dq=seaxnet&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6zrHA4oLpAhUglHIEHYfsDKwQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=seaxnet&f=false

Now, one would have to look through Old English phonology to confirm this likely spelling.

EDIT: Okay, I found another source that shows "Ææxneat or Seaxnet" https://books.google.ca/books?id=CR5DAAAAcAAJ&pg=PP12&dq=seaxnet&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6zrHA4oLpAhUglHIEHYfsDKwQ6AEIMjAB#v=onepage&q=seaxnet&f=false

Now, I just need to look at my grammar books to figure out why the missing there is a variation of net and neat.

Found another variant for fornot in OE which has ēo diphthong which is indeed a clue! http://www.bosworthtoller.com/045867

Okay, turns out that Proto-Germanic *eu leads to Old Icelandic jō and to Old English ēo. Thus, leads to OE: nēot and by extension led me to verbs such as benēotan which means"To deprive of the enjoyment or use of anything", ''nēotan" which means to make use of, enjoy. http://www.bosworthtoller.com/finder/3/neot

Alright, as for the -nēat, it seems to come from past tense in the verbs -nēotan -nēt is probably a result of Anglian smoothing ēo > ē, ēa > ē (">" becomes).

Leornendeealdenglisc (talk) 04:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Identification with Tiw and Celtic cognate?
The three names in the Old Saxon vow: Tiw would be expected to appear alongside Thunor and Woden here as it parallels the three Germanic gods mentioned in Roman sources ("Mars, Mercury, Hercules").

Then there is the similarity/cognacy(?) of the -neat element, with regular Germanic d>t shift, to the name of Nuada/Nodens/Nudd or Lludd in Celtic mythology. Most tellingly Nuada, like Tyr, loses his arm in combat with an "evil" rival figure (Sreng/Fenrir). Prefixed with the tribal name Seax, this would make a quite fitting alternative name for Tyr/Tiw. Walshie79 (talk) 08:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

“Not” cannot be cognate to German Not
Low German (I.e Old Saxon) and English have a d for German t, compare need and Not. I have therefore removed this etymology. Looks like this was added a few years ago by an IP—Ermenrich (talk)
 * And yet your fellow gangster Dab agrees?Alpharts Tod (talk) 07:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)