Talk:Sebastián Piñera/Archive 1

Comments
he is not the president of Lan and he currently is not a board member of any companies.

He got 46% of the votes in the runoff election —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.156.183 (talk) 23:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

A couple of observations: 1. the entry says nothing about his family life (wife? children?). This strikes me as relevant info. 2. the description of his pre-politics career seems incomplete and somewhat contradictory. Incomplete: what was his path to such extraordinary riches? There must be a story there! Contradictory: I read both that he was an "educator" until 1988; elsewhere I read that he was involved in the credit card business in the 1970s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.139.81 (talk) 05:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Business Section
Almost half of this section refers irregularities in the business life of Sebastian Pinera. I don´t mean that such events have not occurred, but definitely the importance given to these facts does not fit with his history as an entrepreneur. Sebastian Pinera don´t have a spotless history, but definitely he is not a corrupt businessman and (more important) Chileans have not elected a corrupt President, which I think is presumed in this section of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.160.84.161 (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Piñera's Pinochet Years
Is anything known about the man's political viewpoints and possible involvement during the Pinochet dictatorship? Such information is suspiciously missing in the article.77.162.130.139 (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

This Article is totally biassed by socialists!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.155.57.63 (talk) 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Biased by socialists? I hope you are kidding??? Missing here is the corruption scandal, but also Piñera's public No at the referendum about continuing the Pinochet dictatorship. SereneLemon (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I suggest to add this: In July 2006, Piñera was fined U$ 700,000 for buying shares of the airline LAN Chile while in possession of privileged information. Piñera bought 3 million LAN shares the day before the company’s second-quarter results were published. The results showed its first-half profit had risen 32%, and its shares rose sharply. Piñera resigned as director of airline LAN. The billionaire still holds over 32% of LAN’s shares. The LAN insider deal was analyzed by name in the “Global Corruption Report 2009” by Transparency International (http://www.transparency.cz/pdf/Global_Corruption_Report_2009.pdf page 217) SereneLemon (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Piñera's photo
Estimado, B1mbo, la foto que sigues poniendo de Piñera es estéticamente inadecuada para el artículo en cuestión, te lo he dicho ya en innumerables oportunidades. Por favor no insistas. Pristino (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, there are no rules supporting what you're doing. Using professional and official photoshoots is the recomended thing instead of an amateur, blurred and moved image. WP:IMAGE says clearly: Poor quality images (too dark, blurry, etc.) or where the subject in the image is too small, hidden in clutter, ambiguous or otherwise not obvious, should not be used. Instead, you're boycotting Wikipedia changing the things in all the other languages and uploading a copy of the image even after the image was protected. --B1mbo (talk) 05:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The photo is neither dark nor blurry. Please stop changing the photo as you will inevitably get the article blocked just in time for the election, which will frustrate us both. As you have done most of the editing on the Spanish version and have barely touched the English version, it would seem that it is you who is trying to boycott this article by coming here and constantly changing the photo but contributing nothing else to the article. You should have noticed by now that I haven't gone to the Spanish-language version of the article to constantly change the photo of Piñera the way you do here. Do you want to call for a third opinion here? Pristino (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I have no preference among this two. Pristino's photo is more similar to the other candidate photos so its gives a better whole, but it is not the photo piñera apears at best, and every candidate should have a favorable photo. The other photo does not focus the face enought but piñera "looks good" there. Dentren  |  Ta lk  01:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Offical Candidate Photo I agree that every candidate should have a favorable photograph; anything less can be considered a tactic to scar the image of the candidate before the public eye. After all, we know from history that physical image is a significant contributor to public opinion; ranging from JFK's televised image winning him the election, to current day Michelle Obama's eyebrow makeover in an effort to help her look less “scary.” (http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2009/05/michelle_obamas_makeup_artist.html).  To be fair, I uploaded the image Piñera uses on his campaign website, including all copyright requisites.  I hope this helps us reach a consensus.  Por favor, respetemos este imagen.  Gracias y/and thank you!  --Neon Sky (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

"Enemies"
It seems to me a better word could be used as heading of this section. Perhaps "political adversaries". Martin Hausen (talk) 17:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Organized/Cleaned up Page
As someone who'd tried rather unsuccessfully to organize and clean up this page a few months ago, I cannot help but be very pleasantly surprised with the change. In no small part thanks, I'm sure, to Neon Sky. Hopefully this stays as it is (as we might expect it to change radically around election time). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSDanneskjöld (talk • contribs) 20:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the acknowledgment, it's much appreciated! I'm currently translating the Chilean Wikipedia version from Spanish to English and double checking the links/references. This will take some time but eager to do so. In the meantime, thanking the Microsoft Word gods for the excellent "review panel" that makes life easier. Happy Holidays! --Neon Sky (talk) 17:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Political Campaign & Mass Communications
There is a brief paragraph addressing Pinera's presidential campaign, with legitimate references included. The subject of political campaigns and media/mass communications is a significant, well-studied and established topic. As such, believe the paragraph addressing this issue is vital and should not be removed. I welcome discussion on the topic as to why you may or not agree. Thank you. --Neon Sky (talk) 03:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please include comments in the discussion page when placing a POV. This allows for dialogue leading towards a clean solution. According to your notes on the article itself, I see your direct concern was in regards to a missing citation for the comparison made between Pinera and Obama.  That has now been updated and I sincerely believe this solves the issue. --Neon Sky (talk) 05:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Outside view on the photo revert war
I've read over the dispute over the picture. This really edges on ridiculous, I have a hard time seeing why anyone would care this much over which of the two perfectly good pictures are used for the article. However, when considering the choice between two pictures whose rights are both in order, and barring any other issues, I'm inclined to always go with the most recent picture. In that case, I suggest that you stick with the current black and white one. Trusilver 18:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Please don't use "judging words." This is not ridiculous or trivial to us. This picture is of a presidential candidate, if that helps but it into better context. Thanks. --Neon Sky (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistent Description of Party Across Wikipedia Articles
I notice there's an inconsistency in Wikipedia articles in this area. This article describes the National Renewal party as center-right, but the National Renewal article describes it as right wing. I realize opinions may differ, but shouldn't the two articles agree with each other? Can anyone shed light on this? Larry (talk) 22:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Opus Dei member?
The article currently states that Piñera is a member of Opus Dei. However, I couldn't find any reliable sources confirming this. In fact, this newspaper article (in Spanish) seems to imply that he is not a member. In accordance with WP:BLP I'm removing the statement. If anybody can find a reliable source, please add it back in. --CronopioFlotante (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, he is a member. This information isn't very newsorthy in the states, so you won't find it easily. However, if you visit the Chilean Google site at google.cl and search in their news archives, you will find an abundance of legitimate sources.  Hope this helps.  :) --Neon Sky (talk) 01:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Neon Sky. But, actually, the article you link to states that Joaquín Lavín is a member of Opus Dei, not Piñera. This is something I ran into each time I googled "Sebastián Piñera" + "Opus Dei". It was always someone else mentioned in the article who was a member (Lavín, Larraín, members of UDI, etc). CronopioFlotante (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He is obviously not a member of Opus Dei. Do you think an Opus Dei member will be in favour of the morning-after pill or any kind of homosexual civil union? It just does not make any sense. --Agerio (talk) 02:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
It's beginning to peak now that Pinera has been elected (Something he earned. We Chileans can not be bought.). I expect it will fully peak this weekend before dying down (I don't think it will be too bad). The same will happen in March, around "swearing in" time. Thanks to everyone who keeps a watchful eye! --Neon Sky (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "Something he earned. We Chileans can not be bought." That is a really nice way of thinking. If the people choose the candidate I like they are wise and gifted, but if they choose any other candidate they must be dumb and deceived (in this case bought) by that winning candidate? With all due respect, he won, in part because of his own merits, in part (a huge one) because of the Concertacion failures, and he will lead the country for four years. It is not the end of the world, at least not for the people that got to their private and public working positions in an honest way.--Agerio (talk) 02:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Cabinet Infobox
Not feeling the infobox. It's a duplicate format of the one on Bachelet's page. I think the complete titles of the positions and the complete party affiliations are important. If anyone is good with infoboxes (not me unfortunately) please update it. Thanks. --Soy Rebelde (talk) 05:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Soy Rebelde (talk) 20:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The 'Independent pro-UDI' or 'Independent pro-RN' is not verifiable information. They are either affiliated to a political party or are independent. I think keeping the non-existant links is important so that an editor can create those articles. Pristino (talk) 00:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but... why do you keep stating Pinera is an independent? He's not an independent. I updated it once more and removed non-existent internal links. --Soy Rebelde (talk) 01:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Upon deeper research, I see that he is an independent, as it is called by the National Renweal that any candidate appointed to the presidency will renounce the party in an effort to send a message that the president will govern with absolute fairness to the people and not on behalf of a party or particular philosophy. I think this is phenomenal! --Soy Rebelde (talk) 23:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

'Transition' section
I think the name "Transition" for this section is not appropriate. Transition to what? Transition from Concertación to the right? That is POV at worst and ambiguous at best. Transition to executive power? There is no reason to not call this section "President-Elect" which is what he is. Pristino (talk) 00:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * (1)Your title is redundant See here-->Presidential Elections 2009–2010>President-Elect. It is already understood we are referring the a President-elect, it is clearly stated. (2)The title has been Transition since Pinera was elected, (3)It is a first in Chile's history where a billionaire is transitioning from the private to the public sector, as stated in the very first sentence. It is unambiguous. (4)In regards to a political transition, that can also be applied because it is a fact, however, a greater chunk of his new coverage has been and is likely to continue to be until March 11, the selling of his stakes in private companies.--Soy Rebelde (talk) 01:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I met you half-way and reformatted the title and sub-title. There is nothing biased about the title "transitions" and your accusation of it being is not only absurd but a very extreme manner of expressing yourself; it kept me thinking. Why are you overly sensitive and offensive? --Soy Rebelde (talk) 00:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Create Biographies/Articles for Cabinet Members
I will like to get a group of users to begin authoring the biographies for the cabinet members, since currently there is only 1 out of 22 available. If anyone would like to split the work, most of which requires translation of existing pages from es.Wiki, please share your info here. I think we can split up the work. Hope yo hear back from some of you. Thanks and Cheers, --Soy Rebelde (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd be willing to try to help out with the ones that need translating if you'd send me a link to them. Though I'm a little shaky on my Spanish it would probably be best to double check my work to make sure there isn't anything lost in translation. EgoNonBarrus (talk) 05:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. I am new to this but would be happy to help out translating some of these to English. Can you please let me know which ones I should do and likewise it would be good if someone with more experience would be willing to check that I have done it ok. Cheers. Kiwifresita (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I can help with translating from Spanish, too. I think 10 out of 22 have articles already. See Ministries of Chile. - Ruodyssey (talk) 04:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Ancestry chart
I understand why we have ancestry charts in articles about members of royalty or hereditary nobility, but why do we have an ancestry chart for a non-hereditary head of state? I don't think I have ever seen such a chart in an article on an elected official before. Generally we put the names of a person's parents in the text of an article about them, and if any of their other ancestors are notable, they are mentioned as well -- but still in the text. I see no value in a chart that identifies all of the great-grandparents of the president of a country. Neutron (talk) 22:12, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, this doesn't belong here - it's entirely irrelevant, as none of his relations are notable. I will remove it. Robofish (talk) 23:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Philanthopy
The lead asserts that he is a noted philanthropist but after a quick scan of the article I was not able to locate the supporting text. An editor deleted that assertion without an edit summary but I reverted it because a quick | Google (US) search revealed several articles from reliable sources that support him being a major philanthropist so this should be an easy section to add. Veriss (talk) 04:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

treatment
"His Excellency", "His Excellency the President" refers only to the treatment protocol, there being only one way. Their official treatment, ie the official name of the charge according to the statement by the State Constitution is just "President of the Republic. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackBird07 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)