Talk:Second Thomas Shoal

Second Thomas Shoal laser incident
Shouldn't the Second Thomas Shoal laser incident be mentioned in this article (if only briefly)?? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Why Is It Disputed?
And by why I mean what's the REAL reason there is a dispute? Strategic? Economic? If one side (or the other) "wins", then what happens? Also the Lede says it's disputed by "several nations", but only mentions China and the Philippines? Who else? And why? Here because of recent water cannon incident, and the Article seems very deficient in any real details.2603:8081:3A00:30DF:19BE:D09C:B6AA:5F75 (talk) 00:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Terminology: West Philippine Sea vs. South China Sea
Here, I have reverted two anonymous edits [<> here]. The anonymous editor says, 'Since the Ayungin Shoal is located in the Philippines waters then the peculiar terminology used by Philippine government should be correct. It is located in the West Philippine Sea because it is part of the Philippines - Philippine territory uses Philippine terminology". I disagree. The article says, "It is a disputed territory and claimed by several nations.3", so the assertiom that it is located in Philippine waters is clearly WP:POV. Also, the designation, West Philippine Sea is peculiar to the Philippine government, referring to the part of the South China Sea that is covered by the Philippines EEZ, and including waters that may be in the EEZs of other nations. I have invited the IP editor involved to discuss this here. Discussion? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Here I reverted another edit changing the SCS term to WPS. That reversion was unreverted here, saying The Philippine Maritime Administration which administers the shoal's waters and provides UNCLOS navigation of the waters around the shoal, identifies it as part of the West Philippine Sea. I have undone that unreverrsion, and this begins a WP:BRD discussion re the use of the WPS term vs. the SCS term.
 * The WPS article mentions, "The term West Philippine Sea has sometimes been incorrectly used to refer to the whole of the South China Sea. ", citing a source reporting that the Philippine government's chief presidential legal counsel was apparently confused about that. WP should not spread that confusion. Also, the assertion that the shoal and the waters around it are under the administration of the Philippine government is not WP:NPOV. This article explains that, besides the Philippines, the shoal is claimed by China, Taiwan, and Vietnam; those countries probably do not share that viewpoint. I'll not belabor it further but, as I said in the edit summary of my initial revert, the term West Philippine Sea is peculiar to the Philippine government. The NPOV term to use here is South China Sea. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)