Talk:Secret Story (Peruvian TV series)

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Requested move 21 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. obviously against consensus at this time Mahveotm (talk) 13:00, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

– The articles listed in this move should be aligned to match the official names of the programs not a generic English name this eliminates unnecessary disambiguation.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:01, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Secret Story (Peruvian TV series) → La casa de los secretos
 * Big Brother (Slovak TV series) → Big Brother Súboj
 * Big Brother Norway → Big Brother Norge
 * Secret Story (Lithuanian TV series) → Paslapčių namai
 * Big Brother (Russian TV series) → Bolshoy Brat


 * Oppose all - and procedural close. Per WP:ENGLISH - should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources. That's exceptionally difficult considering none of these have English language references at all. The BB wikiProject needs to get their house in order. There must be some references out there which details the variations within the global franchise. I find it highly doubtful that the most common usage in English sources is the native language. -- Netoholic @ 04:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Before posting this move I searched for reliable English sources for the articles listed above and I did not find any reliable English sources. If I had found English reliable sources that uses the current names I wouldn't have requested the move. That is why I requested these article titles to be moved to their common local names instead and based on my understanding of guidelines and policies like the one you pointed out and WP:UE.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  08:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the last sentence at WP:UE is relevant: If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader.. I think this points toward retaining the current names if they don't have English sourcing enough to establish moving to the native name. -- Netoholic @ 09:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Support as long as the title really is Big Brother (or Secret Story, as applicable) and not Big Brother Norway, Secret Story Peru, etc. (or non-English names, with English-language sources actually preferring the non-English, which seems unlikely). This "Title here x (Country_name_here)" stuff is just aberrant. We don't do that with any articles titles about anything, meanwhile we have a stable and site-wide TV convention of "Title_here (season X)", from which there is no reason to diverge in this case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose all - and procedural close. Consider one by one. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I also think this should be closed and each language should have a separate discussion. --Gonnym (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral, but CREATE REDIRECTS no matter what happens. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, to determine if there are proper WP:ENGLISH titles for each of these. I also agree that, procedurally, these should all be handled as individual WP:RMs... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


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