Talk:Secunderabad/Archive 1

MCH
In the article I found:
 * Named after Sikandar Jah, the third Nizam of the Asaf Jahi dynasty, Secunderabad had it's own municipality and city government, until recently when it was merged with Hyderabad.

MCH? Wrong link? Inverted wiki-link? (in MCH there is nothing relevant to this article). Cate 07:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Mosques section
Currently, this section contains WP:Weasel words and is completely unsourced. In addition, there is edit warring going on around the edition or not of the section. I think a consensus can be reached by re-writing the aforementioned section and removing weasel words (such as "and many more" and "famous"). Finally, I propose the architecture subsections to be orders in alphabetical order: all as are important as the other, and should not be subjected to preferential treatment (as it seems to be a preoccupation). In other words, the subsections should be: Churches, Mosques, Temples.

I hope a consensus can be reached soon.

Xionbox₪ 13:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough--Kurienne (talk) 13:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reverted two edits on this article as just deleting the section isn't the answer. It needs to be rewitten to comply with WP:NPOV and WP:WEASEL. The information about the mosques is valid content. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 23:55, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

removed dead link tag from history section and corrected the link address
I had removed dead link tag from history section and corrected the link address. made some more edits which include grammar check, removed dead link tag and corrected the link address, linked asif jahi, saidani maa and tank bund with in WP, added image of saidani maa tomb to architecture section and moved spanish mosque image to section places of worship.--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:12, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

suggestions
Need advices to make the section Architecture as a sub section of Culture.
 * I beleive there cannot be a seprate section Architecture in the article related with city or place. therfore i advice to make this section a sub section of culture.--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Refer London. The greatest city of all has a section on architecture. Cheers--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear Fourfiftytwo for you information [| Architecture] in the article London is a sub section of [| Geography], and this is what I adviced here in this article, please read the advice and try to understand properly. Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 04:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

removed information without reason
hi, User:Fourfiftytwo had removed this text, kindly specify, why below information and references were removed from the section culture of this article? and unreferenced information is added.


 * During Ramzan Eid day, muslims in secunderabad celebrate Eid in the traditional manner by offering prayers in the mosques and Eidgah, Secunderabad Eidgah is the 2nd largest Eidgah of Twin cities.

--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC) --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that the information was phrased rather awkwardly with bad grammar, the section is about culture and not trivia such as which Eidgah is the second largest. Please add pertinent information to appropriate sections. Thanks--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If there was any grammar mistake make necessary correction, do not delete the information spl when provided with refrences unless discussed on talkpage, its WP policy. The Eidgah in Sed-bad is the second largest among Twin cities, and this information matters for research purpose.--Regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 04:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As mentioned earlier, grammar was only a secondary issue. The primary issue is that trivia relating to the size of a particular eidgah adds no value to the section which talks about culture. Culture includes social customs, traditions etc and not the size of religious buildings. Thanks--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 15:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * for your information Eidgah is a place where Muslims conduct prayers only twice a year and it has a significat place in islamic culture, and when ramdan and ramzan eid is discussed then just information about the Grade of Eidgah should not be a problem, as done here Being one of the largest cantonments in India, here  St. John the Baptist Church is not only the oldest church in the city, Another old colonial church that has received the INTACH award from the government, Gymkhana Ground - This is a large ground which is under the control of the Union Defence Ministry these are the few examples where grades of the structure is informed with other information. thou these all does not have any reference but where as i had provided references for the information which i included. Hope its clear to you now.--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All these facts that you pointed out are in appropriate sections that discuss architecture, recreation etc. They are not in the culture section. Please do not make me repeat my statements. Culture deals with includes social customs, traditions etc and not the size of religious buildings.--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 17:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

section Gallery
Need arbitration in this matter. Thanks--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 15:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC) to maintain WP policy of neutral view,Brought all religious places images in one section Gallery, please advice for further correction, and re-stored image of saidani maa saheba in gallery. --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pictures need to be juxtaposed to the subject matter that describes them. It makes for a better read. Please do not add religious connotations to this article. It is simply a matter of what architecture is more prevalent in the city. It so happens that Secunderabad's primary architectural structures are it's churches. I'm not denying the fact that there Islamic archtectural structures of supreme quality in the city such as the Spanish mosque. Yet we cannot possibly include pictures of all architecturally significant structures in the article. Two churches, one mosque and one temple perfectly portray the mix of architecture in the city. You might again ask me why two churches. Simply because the primary architecture of Secunderabad is Neo-Gothic or British Regency. We must remember, Secunderabad was an erstwhile British town afterall. Thanks. --Fourfiftytwo (talk) 03:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear Fourfiftytwo with your reply i understand that you are trying to divert this discussion in wrong direction, Please try to accept the fact and be kind enough to go with reality. I don’t have any problem on the number of images/Information you or any user add related to article.

My main purpose is to highlight the architectural and heritage Value information and images(with references) for which Sec-bad article is for and will help for the research purpose.


 * If this article can contain images of,
 * Garden Restaurant (applied against WP policy of Pvt Advertisement)
 * Tank Bund road (image which gives no meaning to the article)
 * Parade Grounds (every city have grounds and this image is not even any grade stadium).
 * Where as Sayedani Maa Tomb Saidani maa tomb, Hyderabad.jpg is recognized by Archeological Survey of India, INTACH, | AP Ministry of Tourism etc etc, as a heritage structure and is being studied and researched by many for its architectural and historical status and value. As this is located in Secunderabad and it is discussed in the article too, then the Image of this structure is reasonable with its information, Then why do you have problem with the image of Sayedani Maa Tomb? Do you have any more query to restore the image of [[Sayedani Maa Tomb]]??

Any way I am collecting information on Sir Ronald Ross and Sri Ujjaini Mahankali Matha temple in secunderabad and will write once collected with references very soon. --Regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 04:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC) --Omer123hussain (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As your english skills are good I would advise and appreciate rather if you can write on Sir Ronald Ross house and Research Center in Secunderabad (which have great importance in global, architecture, medical Research and history) and '''Parsi Temple( which researcher would like to study as this is vanishing and probably the only in AP) these are the real thing which will make the article more informative.
 * I will be glad to help and will copy edit those articles in due course. With regard to the inclusion of Sayedani Maa Tomb - I'm not contesting the merit of the structure. I agree that it is a heritage stucture of significance. So is All Saint Church, Trimulgherry. This church has even recived the INTACH award from the erstwhile HUDA and ASI. Why then am I not insisting on including the following pictures in the article?

If you insist on including a picture that you think is of real importance to the article, I will also insist on adding the above two pictures which I believe are of great importance as well. The point I am trying to make is that the article Secunderabad discusses several aspects of Secunderabad and not just architecture. The number of pictures in each section should be proportionate to the length of that section. We have enough pictures for the section on architecture. A mention and description of important structures should suffice. As for the other pictures you have pointed out. I beleive the picture of Garden restaurant has nothing to do with advertisement. The restaurant is a local landmark and is therefore of significance. Pictures of locally famous restaurants are often featured in wikipedia articles about cities. Refer Cafe du Monde picture in New Orleans. The Tankbund road picture is also significant. It is an important thoroughfare in the city which acts as the main arterial road that connects the cities of Hyderabad and Secunderaabd. As for the Parade Grounds picture, I'm not contesting its significance or insignificance. However it doesn't hurt to keep the picture. I hope I cleared things up a bit. Thanks--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I am very glad to see such a heritage image of All Saints Church, Trimulgherry (thou i was searching for some like those), and thats the reason i advocated for the seprate section Gallery in the bottom of the article, where we can place some important images related to the article Sec-bad.
 * Regarding Garden restaurant sorry, but i dont agree with your reason and comparing it with Café du Monde,(established in 1862 AD, A 149 years of history ), where as Garden Restaurant describes nothing about | Demographics, (except to be discussed in food section ). Can you specify how does Garden Restaurant is related to the section | Demographics???
 * where as tankbund road, it is not located in secunderabad? I hope a image discussed in the article should belongs or related to the article or atleast to the information of the section.
 * To avoid image conflict, I propose section Culture and Architecture may contain one-one image of church, temple and mosque. The rest of the images related to the culture and architecture can be kept in the section Gallery which may be in the bottom of the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because you don't agree with something, you can't bend Wikipedia rules. I agree that Cafe du monde is older that Garden Restaurant but Secunderabad is a much newer town compared to New Orleans. You can't expect the restaurant to be from the seventeenth century when the city itself was settled in the nineteenth century. Garden Restaurant is a local landmark that typifies the late afternoon tea culture of the city. The picture was ooriginally part of the culture section but was moved up on account of users compulsively adding pictures. I believe it is a great picture for the culture section because it not only reflects the festive atmosphere around Christmas time but also higlights a local restaurant that many residents of Secunderabad feel nostalgic about.  In response to your proposition- "To avoid image conflict, I propose section Culture and Architecture may contain one-one image of church, temple and mosque" - I will have to repeat what I already said earlier. Please read earlier discussion before you make me repeat myself again.  Please do not add religious connotations to this article. It is simply a matter of what architecture is more prevalent in the city. It so happens that Secunderabad's primary architectural structures are it's churches. Two churches, one mosque and one temple perfectly portray the mix of architecture in the city. You might again ask me why two churches. Simply because the primary architecture of Secunderabad is Neo-Gothic or British Regency. We must remember, Secunderabad was an erstwhile British town afterall. Would it be alright if I proposed the inclusion of the picture of St. Joseph's Cathedral in the article about the city of Hyderabad just to make sure we are fair to all religions. NO! Because the primary architecture of Hyderabad is not Neo-Gothic but Qutb Shahi or Regional Mughal and the pictures in the article should reflect the same. -Fourfiftytwo (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry! but we have to remove the image of Garden restaurant, because you had placed that image in Demographic section culture. This image have nothing to do with the section demographics, if you want to keep it make another section Gallery and place it there and it will suit bettere there only.


 * I have no problem if you place image of St Joseph's Cathedral, Hyderabad to the article Hyderabad, infact i wanted to do that and for that reason long back i had already edited the article St Joseph's Cathedral, Hyderabad, but on the talk page of Hyderabad the Users had highly recomended not to add any more images to the article, infact i am the one who had added infobox, references, section reference list, and Section Structure(Architecture) and Section History to the article St Joseph's Cathedral, Hyderabad ( See here | edit1, | edit2, | edit3, | edit4 ).
 * The information you provided and insisting for Nonetheless the culture of Secunderabad is distinctly different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture is no were discussed in the reference you added, therfore you are misleading WP articles with wrong references and information. I dont have any problem if you add any neutral and referenced information about any thing but kindly do not humiliate or insult other Places, religions or beleives. And that is what the policy of WP of neutrality. If you dont remove that insulting information i will have to take this issue with any senior or administrator of WP, then all the information (word by word) and images you added will be asked from the books which are affiliated thru registered publishers and authors, with tere ISBN and page numbers.
 * can you explain why did you added ( Main article: List of churches in Secunderabad and Hyderabad ) to the section [| Architecture] ?
 * can you give a valid reason with in the guidance of WP Policy, why the image of Sayedani Maa Tomb should not be included in the section Architecture, and why there should not be a section Gallery for the article Secunderabad.--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Before you accuse me of misleading Wikipedai articles, read the references carefully. This would have saved me the trouble of copy pasting matter from the references. The first reference from Narendra Luther, an expert on the matter explicitely talks about the stark contrast in the cultures of Hyderabad and Secunderabad. I'm pasting it here for you:

''The twin cities, Hyderabad and Secunderabad, were a study in contrast historically, culturally, and socially, and Luther brings this out in his inimitable style. If the now 419-year-old Hyderabad originated from a steamy romance between the fifth Qutub Shahi king, Mohammed Quli, and a commoner, Bhagmathi, Secunderabad, which is half its age, was an “offspring of coercive diplomacy.

If Hyderabad was full of palaces and gardens — as its founder wanted it to be nothing short of a “replica of heaven” — Secunderabad was a functional settlement, typical of an army on the move. Hyderabad had the laidback Nawabi feudal culture, while its sibling resembled those from the disciplined English backyard. Old timers still recall this cultural divide between the people of ‘Lashkar' and ‘Patnam'(city).'' from [] The second reference even bluntly states the point: "Though the cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad are twins, they are different in their layout of buildings, the style of life and the very atmosphere. The cities present different fusion of cultures one being the capital of princely state and the other under the direct rule of British till 1948." from[] Now am I misleading Wikipedia or are you misleading WP?
 * Sorry, The photo of Garden Restaurant will have to stay albeit in the culture section because it is a local landmark and the picture not only reflects the atmosphere around Christmas time but also typyfies the afternoon tea culture of the city. It also higlights a local restaurant that many residents of Secunderabad feel nostalgic about.
 * The link to the List of churches in Secunderabad and Hyderabad has been added because it elaborates on the architecture being discussed in the section in greater detail.--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 09:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please stop playing and talk on the topic, where does it is said in your attached references Nonetheless the culture of Secunderabad is distinctly different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture. Now i am sure you are Deliberately playing on WP articles. Regarding Narendra Luther in many of his works he mentiond that secunderabad Cantonment was also monitered by Sikh Regiment brought during the prime minister chandu lal, then why you are denying that.

regarding Garden restaurant it does not represent any cultural activity, almost all the restaurants/bakeries are decorated during deffirent festivals and if you want to talk about evening tea culture then hotel Alpha, or paradise restaurant and bakery is more important and elder than garden to be discussed and any how secunderabad club is discussed for evening activities then why garden restaurant image? beyond you are deleting the architictural valued image of Sayedani Maa Tomb.
 * Kind Request: use your editing authority for the constructive purpose rather than humiliating and bulling on others. be an productive and asset to others and WP. --Omer123hussain (talk) 10:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you really cannot interpret what is being said in the references of if you are deliberately trying to mislead. I've tried in everyway to help you understand but if you are unwilling to have a decent discussion, I'm sorry but third opinion is our only option.

Your comments accusing me of humliating and bullying are in bad taste and go against Wikipedia's policy on personal attacks WP:PA. I would hope you would not repeat that --Fourfiftytwo (talk) 11:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Request for necessary and immediate actions
helpme kindly help me to solve this issue, Please any administrator check the activities of Fourfiftytwo using duplicate and multiple id’s. Please take the necessary action for the user Fourfiftytwo which is destructing the articles in multiple way’s.
 * I suggest WP:SPI as the appropriate venue for this request.   —  Jeff G.  ツ  14:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * the clerks at SPI will be able to fully respond to the puppetry issue. Skier Dude  ( talk ) 15:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

History
There was a user User:Coramandel23 blocked [| here] Then came again with another name as  User:Geofisherguy  blocked [| here], then came again with the name User:Kurienne  blocked [| here]. Now I am sure he is back with the name User:Fourfiftytwo, User:Bibliobuff and User:Johnmylove.

activities
Kindly see the similarities of these users. User:Fourfiftytwo is deliberately, consistently insisting to add the humiliating and un relevant text see [| here], the last sentence of the section culture in the article Secunderabad and added conflict information which is not provided even in reference.
 * User:Fourfiftytwo added the link List of churches in Secunderabad and Hyderabad to the section [| Architecture] in the article secunderabad as agreed by him [| here] on June 26th of 2011  and on the same date June 26th  of 2011 User:Bibliobuff added the same link to the article Hyderabad, India [| here]. The strange part is the page List of churches in Secunderabad and Hyderabad was created from 10:44, 25 June 2011 to 01:40, 26 June 2011 by the user User:Bibliobuff and User:Fourfiftytwo used it at  03:28, 26 June 2011 in the article Secunderabad not even two hours after creating the article by User:Bibliobuff.
 * Tone used in talk page by User:Bibliobuff [| here] and User:Fourfiftytwo [| here]
 * Bothe users focused only on the article Secunderabad
 * User User:Kurienne had appreciated User:Johnmylove [| here] and User:Fourfiftytwo used his work and references [| here]
 * User:Kurienne was not allowing other users to use the images and information about religions other than Christianity on the article Secunderabad and the same is repeated by User:Fourfiftytwo.
 * Ignored the WP policy of neutral point of view.
 * Deleted the section gallery from the article Secunderabad, deleted referenced information of Ramzan celebration from the section culture of article Secunderabad without discussing on talk page.
 * Applying and insisting for the conditions of his own to add images and information.
 * Making multiple edits without giving edit summary.
 * Both the users add information without references.
 * Maximum information provided by User:Fourfiftytwo is without references.
 * deliting the architectural valued 140 years old image and information of 150 years Saidani maa tomb Saidani maa tomb, Hyderabad.jpg and insistingly applying advertising images such as restaurant Gardenrestaurantchristmaseve.JPG and images which have no relation to the article such as Tankbund road.jpg not located in secunderabad.
 * Deliberately added the information and image of Osmania University without reference and writes as locatede in secunderabad. where as the reality is that the Osmania University is located in Hyderabad, India please see [| here] the official location map declared and provided by the web site of Osmania University. Thus he is deliberately misleading the WP articles.
 * Clarifying my position: User:Omer123hussain seems to forget that he was one who started canvassing for Spanish Mosque and added matter and pictures relating to the same in Secunderabad although the mosque itself is situated in Hyderabad. As for Osmania Univeristy, it is located in Tarnaka which is listed as one of the neighborhoods in Secunderabad.--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 15:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Request
I tried my best not to discourage the user User:Fourfiftytwo for his work towards architectural heritage of secunderabad and hyderabad, but his consistently insisting and raising arguments for the conflict information and setting his own conditions for WP articles edits, spl for the article Secunderabad and User:Fourfiftytwo breaking the WP policy of neutral view, arguing and playing with misleading words on talk page. all this wrong activities of User:Fourfiftytwo had make me to investigate his/her edit work and above is the information which i obtained. even after many requests User:Fourfiftytwo is not allowing and deleting the edits of other users spl in the article Secunderabad. As I don’t want to involve in edit war and arguments, thus i came to ask for the help and necessary actions thru any administrator.

For more details see talk page of Secunderabad the way User:Fourfiftytwo is playing and misleading the simple discussion into argument. please see the view history of the article Secunderabad the way he is deleting the other users edits without edit summary or without discussing it on the talk page and for his edits there is no edit summary. Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 13:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears that User:Omer123hussain not only engages in personal attacks (refer section Gallery in this talk page) but he also seems to be coming up with extraordinary claims. Please refer to the discussion in the section Gallery for further clarification--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It is clear that you are confused. Let me clear things up a bit. Here's my argument and justification:

[] and []. So please tell me why this statement should be removed?
 * I'm not sure how you got the idea that I have deleted valid matter. The following statement that User:Omer123hussain added Ramadan is celebrated by the local muslims with much religious fervour still exists in the article. In actuality it is User:Omer123hussain who is insisting on deleting valid matter. He wants the following statement removed because he thinks it's offensive: Nonetheless the culture of Secunderabad is distinctively different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture which is sourced from [],
 * The second isssue is that User:Omer123hussain wants to replace several of the following pictures (pictures that added value with respect to various topics) and replace them with mosques or other Islamic architecture. He wants to remove the pictures of Garden Restaurant and Tankbund road. I have given ample reasons why those pictures are important to the article. Garden Restaurant illustrates the atmosphere in the city around Christmas. Not only is that restaurant a local landmark but also that fact that an Indian city celebrates Christmas in a grand way is a point of interest that the reader should know. I believe that it needs to be show cased. The picture of Tankbund is also significant because it is an important thoroughfare in the city which acts as the main arterial road that connects the cities of Hyderabad and Secunderabad. User:Omer123hussain wants to replace these pictures with Islamic monuments or mosques. I am not against equal representation of all architectural styles. The article already has a picture of Spanish Mosque and makes several references to Islamic architecture and the Muslim people. The point I'm contesting is the inaccurate representation of the city's architecture. Secunderabad has very few mosques compared to churches (refer article for numbers), whereas churches are an integral part of the city scape with a great number of churches of architectural and heritage value being present throughout the city. Even the few mosques that are listed are on the outskirts on the city whose geographical validity was questioned earlier. Even so User:Omer123hussain insists that we include more pictures of mosques. In the process of being fair to all religions, let us not misrepresent the city. If everybody needs to be represented in this article, let us add pictures of temples that belong to Jains, Buddists, Sikhs as well ' cause they have communities that live in this city as well. I don't think Wikipedia is a place for "affirmative action" so to say. There is a picture of a mosque in the article and I don't see any reason why another mosque should be added.
 * User:Omer123hussain appears to be employing double standards with respect to sockpuppetry and suspects every other user of it. He is the one that was recently blocked for an "indefinite" period for sockpuppetry (he had several socks himself). He pleaded to be unblocked and yet accuses me of the same.--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

My responce to User:Fourfiftytwo
 * If you go thru the conversation above,you will find that i had focused only on architectural, heritage valued and awarded images either mosque, temple, church or fire temple etc.
 * about me Why are you giving more stress on the sentences like User:Omer123hussain wants to replace these pictures with Islamic monuments or mosques.??? and what exactly do you want to prove???
 * Can you give any one reference where i had insisted to replace the images with islamic monuments, i just wanted to include the image of Sayedani Maa Tomb and information about ramzan eid celebration in secunderabad.As i had told you earlier i have made many articles related to hyderabad churches redable even for the Medak Cathedral and i am the one who had added infobox, references, section reference list, and Section Structure(Architecture) and Section History to the article St Joseph's Cathedral, Hyderabad ( See here | this, | this, | this, | this ). and many more are there but i dont want to count my work, thus when you was not allowing to add the image i created the section gallery for the images of high architectural value and it is allowed bb WP policy to keep the section gallery.


 * Please see your edits of misleading of information on WP article of Secunderabad.


 * | here Secunderabad until recently had its own municipality and city government. What do you mean by city government???
 * Last line of the second paragraph of section History: Unlike Hyderabad, the official language of Secunderabad was English.( the reference you provided is | this now tell me which paragraph or line in the reference you given says English was the official language of secunderabad???
 * the text inserted in the first paragraph of the section Economy says Various industrial araes such as Bolarum, Moula-Ali, Nacharam, Uppal etc. are located in Secunderabad now please prove that Uppal a part of secundrabad??? There are lot lot of such misguiding information you provided that to without references.


 * Spanish Mosque is located in Begumpet, and Begumpet assembly constituency is a part of Secunderabad parliament and secunderabad parliament is a part of Greater Hyderabad Muncipal Corporation.


 * Now tell me where should be the information and image of Spanish Mosque belongs? and Spanish Mosque is just opposite to the Begumpet old airport lane, few meters before to Consulate General of the US in Hyderabad(about this consulate you had only added information with reference) then how come Spanish Mosque will belong to other than secunderabad.


 * Yes i strongly condemn your applied information in the last lines of the section culture Nonetheless the culture of Secunderabad is distinctively different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture sourced from
 * Because of the following reasons.


 * from your references none of the paragraph or sentence says that culture of Secunderabad is distinctively different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture
 * the information sourced from are not the researched works(Books). which can prove this contravarsial claim of Indo-Islamic culture of Hyderabad.
 * culture of Hyderabad was never Islamic nor in past nor today, In past it can be said as Nawabi culture not the Islamic. Even your | reference from The Hindu Chennai, March 8, 2011 says If Hyderabad was full of palaces and gardens — as its founder wanted it to be nothing short of a “replica of heaven” — Secunderabad was a functional settlement, typical of an army on the move. Hyderabad had the laidback Nawabi feudal culture, while its sibling resembled those from the disciplined English backyard. Old timers still recall this cultural divide between the people of ‘Lashkar' and ‘Patnam'(city). Your replacing of Nawabi feudal culture from the reference you gave and your addition of Indo-Islamic is just the proof of your intention to Humaliating and insulting once faith.

Yes i was blocked earlier indefinately, due to my misunderstanding and lack of understanding english of international standards, Yes i had pleaded like any thing for unblock nearly for weeks because i now the worth of being the part of WP team, but i never use my work to harm others faith, Even now i dont wanted to involve in edit war with you and get remarked, thus i approached to senior administrator for help.

Please stop blaming and using such sentences like below about me, Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 06:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Omer123hussain appears to be employing double standards (please Prove ???)
 * Even so User:Omer123hussain insists that we include more pictures of mosques. (please prove?? except for Spanish Mosque and Sayedani Maa Tomb)
 * User:Omer123hussain wants to replace these pictures with Islamic monuments or mosques. (please prove where i did so??)
 * User:Omer123hussain - Go ahead, replace all the exisitng pictures with Mosques or Eidgahs. Delete every statement that questions the Islamic culture of the city. Islamize the whole article. I couldn't care less. I see no point in discussing this matter anymore.


 * Although I would like to clarify one thing in my defense: Are you suggesting that the exact phrase Nonetheless the culture of Secunderabad is distinctively different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture needs to be found in the references. That would be copyvio! It is against wikipedia's policies to copy statements word to word. Statements should always be paraphrased and not copied word to word. And if your are denying that the references are not implying the statement, then I cannot help the cause anymore. Thanks--Fourfiftytwo (talk) 07:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I dont want to involve in edit conflicts with any one. User:Fourfiftytwo you are blaming me again and again and trying to divert the discussion in other direction. about your query i just want to clear that your | reference from The Hindu Chennai, March 8, 2011 says ''If Hyderabad was full of palaces and gardens — as its founder wanted it to be nothing short of a replica of heaven — Secunderabad was a functional settlement, typical of an army on the move. Hyderabad had the laidback Nawabi feudal culture, while its sibling resembled those from the disciplined English backyard.
 * it says Hyderabad had the laidback Nawabi feudal culture
 * and for secunderabad it says sibling resembled those from the disciplined English backyard.
 * to which you had summarized as Nonetheless the culture of Secunderabad is distinctively different from that of Hyderabad's Indo-Islamic culture
 * Now can you explain your words how a nawabi fedual culture is similar to Indo-Islamic Culture?

where as the nawabi is known for delicate and lavish life style, and a nawab can be either Christian, Sikh, Hindu, Parsi, Buddhist, Jain or Muslim. according to Narendra Luther out of top ten highest nobels(Nawabs) of hyderabad, 4 were hindus. A nawabi culture is extremely different from Islamic/Indo-Islamic Culture. because a nawab can be of any religion. Where as islamic culture is particularly for Muslims and the followers of Islam. in the above reference the author had compared the lavish life style of hyderabad nawabs and secunderabad Englishmen(army) discipline(as british army was stationed in secunderabad cantonment during nizams period). since begging i explain you but you had always keepon playing and kidding with words and explainations, and you tried to humilate others by writing your own words. this represent your mentality of misleading the information on WP. apart frm this as mention above you had disparately practice the misleading of information in many places on this article of WP without giving references.

Today it is almost impossible to differentiate between Hyderabad/Secunderabad city and culture, because The food, The dress, The religions, The festivals, The marriages style, The railway, The languages, universities, even the muncapality all they share are same among both cities. thus the culture of both the places remains same and cannot be compared or differentiated.

Last but not least please stop blaming and insulting others again and again, or else i will have to stop repling your quaries.--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Lot of details here which can be shifted to other pages
It is suggested that the details about church architecture be shifted to a separate article. Similarly details about Paigah Mosque may be given in its relevant page. Already article about Secunderabad is overloaded with detailed list of its neighborhoods, educational institution, temples, mosques, churches, commercial area, sports and recreation etc. Come on friends lets improve this page like any other normal article. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 07:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Already present please see this List of churches in Secunderabad and Hyderabad and category Mosques in Hyderabad, India. As secunderabad is a part of hyderabad, India . thus all the monouments in secunderabad can be listed in hyderabad list of churches mosques and temples.--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)