Talk:Security engineering

Mailing lists appropriate?
I am a member of the [PracticalSecurity] Mailing List, which deals with security aspects of system design. This is not a promotional mailing list, but a professional one. Any opinions on whether or not it should be included in this page? Lohat 14:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Per WP:ELNO, we do not link to mailing lists. - MrOllie (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Engineering
The use of the word "engineering" is debatable as "Security engineering" is not a field that is taught in engineering schools


 * But the theory and practices are taught in a variety of Security courses. Security engineering does involve design principals and esthetics, the same as any Structural Engineers program would. This is not a NEW term, and is well accepted in the Security field. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  03:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree - there are real job titles for Security Engineers - see Bureau of Diplomatic Security Mikebar 13:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The word "engineering" is also debatable because almost no one in the security engineering field has an engineering degree. The result has been that practice of security engineering has become ad-hoc, best-effort and lacking a formal basis.  Structural engineers can build you a bridge that won't fall, few security "Engineers" can pull that off.  None of the certifications offered really require enough depth of knowledge to practice competently in the field.  I know, I R one.  John (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * All the Security Engineers in the government have engineering or Physics degrees. As the criticisms section is unreferenced, I will plan to remove the section unless it is substantuated per Wikipedia policies.

Safety vs Security
Schneier defines security as dealing with malicious actors while safety deals with natural disasters. Security defends against smart guys, the unknown known. Safety mitigates known risks, predictable, laws of nature, etc. I suggest we need a new term to describe the non-safelty / reliability aspect, something more along the line of how Bruce Schneier defined security. I propose something along the linges of "Malice Engineering", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sweerek/Malice_engineering   --Sweerek (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Problem with advertisment
A "typical" grade links to "Certified Ethical Hacker" which is a licensed commercial grade. There is only one supplier of this product, which means it is an advertisment. It is NOT typical since i can only buy it / study for it at one party. It's not common. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.131.237.165 (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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