Talk:Sega Genesis/Archive 4

There is such thing as a Sega Genesis!
How come you want to want to rename the article to Sega Megadrive? There is such thing as a Sega Genesis (proof: I have one), so don't rename it. 24.121.73.22 14:31, 23 August 2006 (Pacific Time)


 * Nobody has said that there is no such thing as a Sega Genesis. That would be a rather ludicrous thing to say, considering that Sega has sold tens of millions of the things. What people are saying is that article names that list multiple versions of a product's name with slashes in between them are technically and stylistically bad. Kickaha Ota 21:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well it does seem that renaming it to Sega Megadrive will make people think that there is no Sega Genesis. The first years I had mine I never even knew about the Megadrive, but you are not renaming it (nobody is). 24.121.73.22 15:22, 23 August 2006 (Pacific Time)


 * Please read the whole discussion above. It stats that the first paragraph of the article explains that it is known as Genesis in the United States and Mega Drive in the rest of the world. What is being said in short is that Sega Genesis is to redirect to Sega Mega Drive, and that Sega Mega Drive is to be the main article since it was the original name. Havok (T/C/c) 05:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There's never going to be a total consensus on this, I'll wager... we can have consensus as above, but you're still going to get complaints left and right.
 * Me, personally? Saying "Mega Drive" STILL sounds clunky and foreign, and I would've opposed the move above had I known about the vote. Sorry, but seeing everything changed to the British (or Japanese) standard for what's usually discussed about, most everywhere I go, with the American name feels very awkward. I don't see that changing any time soon. Still, in the name of keeping Wikipedia orderly, I'm not going to put up a fight or anything (I don't like it, but I'm not that vexed by it).
 * Now, Sonic 3D Blast... that's a different story, considering it was made to entirely use the British name without consensus by an IP user. At least this move had a formal vote. --Shadow Hog 21:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Saying "Genesis" STILL sounds clunky and foreign for the rest of the World but we accept that it's an alternative name for the console. From my point of view this move wasn't about changing it to a particular country's version to win a victory over another country's version, it was about doing what was right for a particular circumstance, as I said above, I think the Wikipedia naming convention for products should be the original name (or English translation for Japanese) with redirects from alternative names. So Famicom should be the Article and Nintendo Entertainment System should be the redirect, Biohazard should be article and Resident Evil the redirect. In both of those cases an existing product was renamed because of regional marketing problems. - X201 21:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, those last two instances might be taking it a bit far. This is the English Wikipedia, not the Japanese one; no English-speaking country, to my knowledge, uses those names for those products. At least here, I can empathize a little more, since both names were used in English-speaking countries. --Shadow Hog 01:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

To clearify some stuff; Sega Genesis was the name used for Sega Mega Drive in USA. Bio Hazard was the Japanese name of Resident Evil, the name Resident Evil is used everywhere else. The same goes for Famicom; as Famicom is the japanese name, and NES is the world name. Everyone in the world (except for Japan, maybe some other asian countries) use the word NES. So even bringing that up as a reason to keep the name as either Sega Genesis or Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis, is redundant and silly, as the argument isn't even remotly close to being sound reason. This Wikipedia, which you all edit, is not the American Wikipedia, it's the English version of Wikipedia, which I might add, includes quite a few countries, not only america. So there is absolutly no rule that says something must be american. The original name, and the name intended for this console was/is Sega Mega Drive, period. Havok (T/C/c) 07:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, Most people tha use it are in the USA, right? So it should be the Sega Genesis, Sega Megadrive/Genesis, or just seperate articles. 24.121.73.22 23:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Pros and cons for either one of the both names were brought (Mega Drive "won"), the slashed name was dropped, seperate articles only bring a lot of redundancy. Further questions or suggestions? --32X 17:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, though most of the world's population may know it as MegaDrive, most of the world's ENGLISH speaking population know it as Genesis (the USA alone has more native English speakers than the rest of the English speaking countries together). This is English language Wikipedia, is it not?  Rename this article Sega Genesis!
 * What about British, Hong Kongers, Nigerians, Indians, Bermudians, and other groups? Add them all together, and they beat the population of the U.S. and Canada. Besides, this debate is over. WhisperToMe 04:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Brainstorming session - stuff that needs adding
Right, lets have a quick brainstorm about stuff that needs adding to this article to get to FA status before the SNES. Your favourite console deserves it!. Just add anythhing you think needs adding on to the end.

I think we need to add info about the advertising of the console because, at least hear in the UK, it was the first console to go beyond adverts that were aimed at gamers with "Pirate TV" and "The cyber-razor cut". What were the US campaign(s) like? - X201 22:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * How 'bout some REFERENCES? Two refs for the whole article? Hbdragon88 07:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * How aobut Good Article status first =/ Sonic3KMaster(talk) 05:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * GA status for Sonic the Hedgehog (character) needed references first, so I think the same would apply here. (Speaking of which, I'm sure that article has a few usable references for this article.) The difference here is that referencing must be absolutely neurotic (every sentence) for FA status, while GA status is much easier to reach. (Generally, one or so references per paragraph is sufficient for GA status.) --DavidHOzAu 05:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I count four external links inside the article text; these can be converted to references, using cite web inside the tag. --DavidHOzAu 05:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. - X201 09:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

request for input: Variations of the Sega Mega Drive needs rework
The article about the variations needs a clear rework since the comparisms of the different models are mixed up, for example the PAL MD2 is compared with the PAL MD1 and the JAP MD2 without a clear structure. I've made some suggestions at the talk page but haven't received any input yet. Would be nice if some people would have a look and provide some inputs. --32X 00:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Too many "death of the Genesis" comments
There are like ten references to how much more popular the SNES was. This doesn't need to be mentioned all over the place. in fact the article as a whole seems to go out of its way to portray the system (and Sega) as being weak and vulnerable by comparison. I'm going to try and work on reducing this. Chris Cunningham 11:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Its something quite common across wikipedia really- a pro nintendo bias.

The mega drive was actually more succesful then the snes back during the 16 bit era- the snes only appears to have done better as it was supported a lot longer--Josquius 21:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Genesis in ...
This is a question about a recent edit: Was'n the Genesis only released in North America under that brand name? US, Canada, maybe Mexico? Brazil had the Mega Drive, I don't know about the Spanish/English speaking countries. --32X 23:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My understanding was that it was Genesis in the US because of copyright issues with the Mega Drive name and so to keep it uniform, it was sold in the whole of North America as Genesis. - X201 09:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I meant. But before changing "Americas" to "North America", I wanted to be sure. Besides that, "Mega Drive Logo (Japan & Europe)" gives 2 pieces of information in a wrong context. The logo was only used in Europe and Australasia (nobody cares, haha); PAL asia and Japan had another one. --32X 05:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

PC-Engine
"The Mega Drive was released in Japan in 29 October 1988 for ¥21,000, almost exactly a year after the first console popularly classed as a 16-bit machine - the NEC PC Engine."

The PC-Engine is an 8-bit machine, as stated in the Wikipedia article linked from this one. Someone might rewrite that sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Guest Account (talk • contribs).
 * But it's "popularly classed" as a 16-bit machine on account of its graphics capabilities. I'll rewrite it to say "the first of the fourth-generation machines" though, to make this clear. Chris Cunningham 15:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Mega Drive was released in Japan in 29 October 1988 for ¥21,000, almost exactly a year after of the fourth generation consoles - the NEC PC Engine.  What? --32X 01:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Concerning the text-tation of lists
I actually think technical spec best left as it is as the technical terms were best described using lists.

203.81.161.151 13:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)HHA

Sega's Market share in 1994 unearthed.
I did some research and decided to make some corrections to the market share numbers put up there earlier that claimed Sega's market share had fell to 35% in 1994. That is in fact wrong, Nintendo was at 35%, and they recovered to 54% in months of July, August, and September.

I cited the source below, which goes on to mention that Sega had still carried that year with "with a 55% lead in 16-bit sales in the first nine months of 1994 compared with 52% at the same time a year ago"

Nintendo Retakes 16-Bit Sales Crown --- The Christmas Battle Opens As Ex-Champion Sega Shows New `Knuckles' By Jim Carlton. Wall Street Journal. (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Oct 28, 1994. pg. B.5

and in 1992
The Sega page lists that Sega has 65% market share and yet the SNES page lists that the market shares were approximately equal and cites a source. --Elangsto 03:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The source in the SNES article backs up the statement in the Mega Drive article. The Mega Drive article talks about loss of market share for Sega which ties up with the SNES citation. The Mega Drive article then goes on the say that sales were boosted back up to the 65% mark by the release of Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Sonic 2 was released in November the SNES citation is dated June and so obviously doesn't contain the sales boost given by Sonic 2. - X201 08:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Mega Drive II picture?
I think this article would benefit from an image of a Mega Drive II. Unfortunately, I no longer have one, so someone else should take a photo. --Mouse Nightshirt 00:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * see Variations of the Sega Mega Drive --32X 00:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Done - X201 10:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Top Selling Game
How can Sonic the Hedgehog be listed as the top selling game if you look at this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_computer_and_video_games#Sega_Mega_Drive.2FSega_Genesis Zebbe 17:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In my opinion this field doesn't give any valuable information, but nethertheless I've changed it back. (original change) --32X 11:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

this statement: Re Roleplay games.
"The Mega Drive continued to hold on to a healthy fan base composed significantly of RPG and sports games fans."

i personaly dont think that this statement is accurate. while i am aware that the megadrive had alot of sports games on i seem to remember very few "role play games" of cource there is phantasy star howeever i can list very few others. to my knowledge the snes was more noted for its RPG while the megadrive seemedattractive to the development of platform games?? perhaps we should consider changing the paragraph or finding some citation to support the statement--Dr noire 19:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree! --Tirian 23:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)'

It had a handful of decent RPGs, namely the Phantasy Star series and the Shining Force strategy RPG series (which was recently re-released on Virtual Console), as well as the beloved Lunar 1 & 2 games on the Sega CD, and Snatcher on CD, and 3x3 Eyes in Japan on the Mega CD. There were some other great RPG-ish games like Landstalker and Light Crusader. But it was never considered as great of an Rpg system as the SNES as they had Enix and Square. Also the version of Ys 3 on the Genesis is the best (in my opinion). Some say AD&D: Warriors of the Sun is good, as well as Shadowrun, but I haven't played those.

Removed overclocking link
Epicenter is a person who has barely any concepts on how electronics work (for example see http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2016&page=6), plus his site is mostly made up from articles stolen from elsewhere (such as the Ecco and sonic crackers one), so I removed the link for his genesis oc guide before someone ruins his console because of this kids unverified techno-blabber copypasta guides. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.0.148.54 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC). Also his site had unauthorized roms for download anyway.
 * I brought it back since it's used to reference the statement. Delete either all or nothing from that trivia statement. --32X 18:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

"Mega Drive" for Consistency?
I'm curious as to why the system is referred to as the "Mega Drive" for "consistency". It is true that the system went by this name in Japan, but this Wikipedia article is in the English Wikipedia and in English vernacular, it is referred to as the "Sega Genesis". I'm asking because I want to know if this was done because it is "cool". I think the more reasonable thing to do would be to target the article to what 98% of the English speaking world would recognize the console as. Drumpler 17:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Ignore me and move on. :) Drumpler 17:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

it seems unlikely that 98% of people who speak english are american —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.138.161 (talk) 17:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

it is estimated to be 70%, which is still a significantly large number.155.138.250.6 07:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I would venture a guess and say that in all the NTSC countries (Canada, the USA, and Mexico), the system sold more than in all the official English speaking PAL countries (the UK, Australia, and South Africa, mainly). Since this is on the English speaking portion of the website, and the NTSC regions that speak English outnumber the population of the English speaking PAL regions (like was mentioned above, 70% of English speakers are American), I think it would be most fair to change the name to Genesis on en.wikipedia.org, and leave it Mega Drive on non-English speaking portions of the site.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Geographical_distribution

freehunter 07:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The console was created in Japan and called Mega Drive. The Mega Drive name was unavailable for the NA launch so the console was renamed. It was released as Mega Drive in every other territory in the entire World. At the moment Genesis redirects here and horror of horrors, people actually learn that Genesis is not the console's original name.
 * Your language analogy is also wrong, this article and WP itself receives loads of edits from PAL territories where English is not the native language. English is the unofficial second language of virtually all Northern European countries an a vast majority of the Southern& Eastern ones.
 * The NES article was named as such because it was known as NES around the World except for it's home country where it was Family Computer. The same principle applies here, Mega Drive around the World but renamed for NA released. - X201 09:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * What does English being the unofficial second language of most European countries have to do with anything? I speak more than one language, but I prefer to read things in my native tongue, as I am sure most people do. If that language does not have an article on the Mega Drive, well, that's what Wikipedia is built around, right? The only argument here is how many people will it affect, and the only right answer is most of the people who will read this article either call it the Genesis exclusively or know the name Genesis equally as well as Mega Drive. The minority in this case is those who only call it Mega Drive and know no other name. Well over half the people who visit this article would be comfortable with Genesis, as opposed to those who are only comfortable with Mega Drive. I'm not saying "America rules, Americans control you all", I'm just saying that, statistically, more people who read en.wikipedia.org would be comfortable with Genesis than with Mega Drive, and logically, Mega Drive would point to Genesis. freehunter 06:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freehunter (talk • contribs)


 * I absolutely agree with you. Genesis was known as Genesis in all of the West as well, not just North America and Canada.  I find it hard to believe that the majority of PAL versions in Europe and the rest of the East were not given the option of playing games in their own languages.  If anyone wants to correct me on that, feel free.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KuroKorin (talk • contribs) 07:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * (Combined reply to both of above}What do you mean by "all of the west"? It was known as Genesis in Northern America and that's all, everywhere else around the World knows it as Megadrive.
 * On the subject of how many people it will affect - Sega Genesis redirects to this page. And what happens, people come to this page and wonder why it says Megadrive at the top, they read the article and realise that Sega renamed it for the North American market. They learn that everywhere else in the wWorld calls it Megadrive
 * The console was originally released as Megadrive the rename is part of the Megadrive's history. You say that it's not an "America rules" reason but what else could it be to remove an article from it's birthname to the American alternative in order to not inconvenience Americans?. Should Europeans change the dates of World War I to reflect the fact that there are more English speakers in America and from their viewpoint the 1914-1918 dates of the war are wrong? Just because something is different to Americans dose not make it wrong. - X201 09:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I never said it should be changed because it is wrong to Americans, and you are wrong to assume every English speaker in the North American continent lives in the US. World War I has nothing to do with the Genesis/Mega Drive, and I don;t even know why you would bring it up. It is foolish and logically wrong to assume that Americans expect everything, especially names, to be translated into their English form, plenty of names used by Americans are in their native spelling. However, cruise on over to de.wikipedia.org, and look up Germany. You won't find a page about Germany, same as on en.wikipedia.org, you won't find a page about Amerika. Germans don't officially speak English, and Americans don't officially speak German, so why should their respective portions of the site contain their counterpart language's spellings? Since Americans speak English, and since the vast majority of English speakers live in America, I think it is safe to assume from that argument that the majority of English speakers know the game system as the Genesis.


 * Your argument about people finding out that it is names differently in other countries is a good one, and it is important for people to know this. However, remembering that we have established that the majority of this site's English speaking visitors are in America, maybe it would be best to have Genesis as the primary name, and have the Mega Drive distinction be included in the article, somewhere in the introduction, to ease understanding of the very small minority of English speaking visitors who only know the system as the Mega Drive.


 * As unfair to everyone outside of America as it is, I'm sure most Europeans and non-American English speakers are quite used to things being written for the majority, as it only makes logical sense. Now that we have established that it is much better for the article to be names Genesis and explain the difference in the article, to better suit the majority of visitors to the English speaking portion of the website (making sure to keep it Mega Drive on the non-English speaking portions, to suit their own majority), we can begin the process of re-writing the article and moving it to Genesis. freehunter 07:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * de:Germany. Besides that, where have we (who is that?) established that it is much better for the article to be named Genesis? You might search in the archives, there was once a good combination (Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis) and there was a suggestion to solve the problem like it was done with airplane and aeroplane. And never forget: this is the English language Wikipedia, the readers' country of origin is not important. --87.234.94.97 20:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Release List
I would like to point out that the Console Passion link is (a) a commercial site and (b) not, as it claims, a complete list of all PAL Megadrive games (it is missing all of the Australian exclusives for a start ..). For a much more comprehensive list I would recommend either Genesis Collective, Digital Press or guardiana.net

Guardiana is probably the best for reference purposes, as it includes many cover scans, screenshots etc.

--Tirian 23:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Europe
Someone please write the Europe section, the grammar is terrible. ...in America! 14:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Corrections done. Could still use a proper rewrite though.  Mi re ma r e  05:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

6 button pad
Shouldn't there be something about the 6 button pad in the article? It was released a long while after the original Megadrive/ Genesis wasn't it?Doom jester 12:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. There isn't a picture of it on commons but I'm going to take a photo and put it on there. The Six button was primarily released to enable Street Fighter 2 to be playable properly (a 3 button pad would work but made the game harder to play.)The six button was also considerably samller than the three button so I'll probably do a comparison photo as well. - X201 12:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I lied. I've just found this Image:Mega Drive Controllers.jpg on Commons. - X201 13:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Genesis
Just a curiosity question. Anyone else lamenting the fact that "Mega Drive" won out over "Genesis" as the name of the article? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.215.97 (talk • contribs) 08:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I am totally bummed out. 155.138.3.20 00:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, since the Genesis sold so well in America (better than anywhere else? ) it ought to be called this for its English article. Sega was originated by the american David Rosen, too, and it always had an American attitude (think of games like Michael Jackson's Moonwalker and Streets of Rage, as well as Joe Montana's Football). Also Sonic 2 was made here with the help of the Japanese designers.

Category:Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis vs. Category:Sega Mega Drive
There are currently two categories, one has to go. I don't care which one will remain, but one has to go. With enough suggestions we could start an CfD that doesn't result in "no consensus". --32X 21:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * pro Category:Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis:
 * more articles
 * covers both names
 * "survived" an CfD last September with no consensus
 * pro Category:Sega Mega Drive:
 * shorter category name
 * category name equals article name
 * last september's CfD was partly overwritten: Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis games -> Sega Mega Drive games
 * Category:Sega Mega Drive Games would be the most logical given the article name and I suppose would bring Category:Sega CD Games into the re-naming discussion as well. Might be an idea to get both sorted at the same time in the same discussion. - X201 12:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "Mega Drive games" would seem the correct choice given the name of the article. I wouldn't be too bothered if the other one won out, be we certainly shouldn't have them both.  Mi re ma r e  23:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC) Oh wait, this isn't about the games categories - I didn't think there were two of them! Well, the same goes - the games category is "Sega Mega Drive games" so this should be "Sega Mega Drive" too.  Mi re ma r e  23:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the contents into Category:Sega Mega Drive. Category names should always match the naming of related articles and/or child/parent categories where possible. GarrettTalk 22:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Genesis HW REV
I think that some one should post the different hardware revisions of the genesis because i know there are 3 and i have owned the first and third version in the past and i think it was and would be interesting to see the differences in designs. Pocky09 08:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)