Talk:Seitō (magazine)

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Repetitive section headings
The repetitive section headings in the "History" and "Controversy" sections are probably not a good idea per MOS:HEAD just because it will make link to these subsection a bit more difficult to do than usual. For example, Bluestocking (magazine) will link to the first time this section heading is used; if you want to link to the second time, you will need to format the link as Bluestocking (magazine). Not a huge issue perhaps, but probably one that is unnecessarily confusing, especially for new editors unfamiliar with the syntax used by Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Missing page number
Hi and welcome to Wikipedia! Your recent edit cites an entire book. What is the chapter and page number associated with the claim in question? czar 03:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

"Bluestocking" vs "Seito"
@Briannabryant2: your most recent edit standardized "Seito" to "Bluestocking" for consistency and ease for English speakers. (Thank you, by the way, for your clear edit summaries!) I think your instinct here is good, but it actually has me wondering if the standardization shouldn't in fact go in the other direction: i.e., that all mentions of the magazine should be "Seito" (or "Seitō") and that the article itself should be renamed. I see that only one of the references linked on this page uses the word "Bluestocking", but four of them use "Seito". (Another (Bardsley) uses "bluestocking", but that's clearly meant to refer to the "original" group, and the subtitle uses "Seitō".)

By the way, you may find this helpful: MOS:JAPAN. -- asilvering (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree. This magazine wasn't known as Bluestocking, I don't know why the article is using a translated name. That seems like original (thus bias) work, we are suppose to stay neutral on here. Shouldn't we use the original name of the magazine for the article page? Are we going to translate all Japanese newspapers and magazine names to English? Just seems odd. Nesnad (talk) 06:44, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't call it original research or biased, but I do think it ought to be changed back to Seitō unless someone can show that most sources overall do use Bluestocking. I have opened a move discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 14 September 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Seitō (magazine). Editors agreed that the title "Seitō" was the WP:COMMONNAME in English, but it was noted that the magazine was likely not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Seitō". (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Bluestocking (magazine) → Seitō – This was earlier standardized to the English translation, Bluestocking. I questioned this in February, no response from the editor who did the original change. It appears that all mentions of the magazine should be "Seito" (or "Seitō") and that the article itself should be renamed (to "Seitō"). I see that only one of the references linked on this page uses the word "Bluestocking", but four of them use "Seito". (Another (Bardsley) uses "bluestocking", but that's clearly meant to refer to the "original" group, and the subtitle uses "Seitō".) "Bluestocking (magazine)" should remain as a redirect though. asilvering (talk) 22:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree with the use of original name and reverting mentions of the magazine in this page back to Seitō. Translating names for "ease of use of English speakers" is not a good reason to use English for article names, because there is not a common practice of translating Japanese magazine names to English. Nesnad (talk) 04:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per above. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support. Seems uncontroversial and if the editor didn't respond, it should be fine to just undo the action per WP:BRD and WP:BB. As for the translated title, makes sense to use what is most often invoked in English-language sources. czar  14:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Move to Seito (magazine) or Seitō (magazine). Seitō is a redirect to Seito (disambiguation). All of the articles there seem to be Seito with a long o (whether or not they are written with the macron), and this is evidently not a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC based on WikiNav. (Also, note that this article's title has always used a variation of "Bluestocking"; this requested move isn't a revert, which might not be clear above.) SilverLocust 💬 00:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out - Seitō (magazine) would be preferable, I think. -- asilvering (talk) 02:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)