Talk:Self-determination

Renaming article to: Self-determination of peoples
Maybe not in de US, but in Europe, self-detemination as a notion is tied to the basic classical human rights principle for individuals. The concept of 'self-ownership' isn't known as a notion for the right for a person in Europe. When European countries speak about the content of this article they give the article a name like: Selbestimmungsrecht der Völker (de), Droit des peuples à disposer d'eux-mêmes (fr), Autodeterminazione dei popoli (it), Samostanowienie narodów (pl Self-determination of nations) or Den nationale selvbestemmelsesret (da National self-determinatiion right) or Nationellt självbestämmande (sw National self-determinatiion) etc.

In the UN treaties the frase is: "self-determination of peoples" (UN Charter) and "All peoples have the right of self-determination" (International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights / Civil and Political Rights. To give room (in other language versions) for an article on the right of self-determination (for individuals), linked to the english language version on self-determination, and Google finding the right article, it would be good the english version makers respect other countries, other cultures and other language versions and think about changing the name of an article with the content this article has, into "Self-determination_of_peoples". Thanks and keep up the good work VanArtevelde (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest that this isn't done. I'm aware that there are several countries that dispute what constitutes a "people", whose arguments basically deny that a population constitutes a people with the right to self-determination.  Guatemala does it ref Belize, Argentine ref the Falklands, Spain ref Gibraltar.  Renaming is likely to trigger ethnic disputes and is unnecessary in my opinion. WCM email 09:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Self-determination in this sense, rather than the personal psychological/philosophical sense, appears to be the common meaning. Searching self-determination gives you first and foremost the international law principle. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)