Talk:Self-harm to breasts and sexual organs

Let's start a text about self-harm to breasts and sexual organs in http://www.wikisource.org
Well, I'm afraid we will have to do some original research to improve this article. Wikipedia.org is not the place for original research, but on http://www.wikisource.org original research is absolutely no problem. So I would suggest to move an early version of this article (still with my points of view and my midget original research) to http://www.wikisource.org. I'm not familiar with http://www.wikisource.org so I will probably move the article in about a week. Then I will also rewrite it for http://www.wikisource.org so that it is easy to add points of view and original research by people. (forgot to sign, this was written by me [user:laudaka] about in August 2004.)
 * I still think this is a good idea, although I now know http://www.wikibooks.org would be the right place for that. For the last half year I've suffered from mild but nonetheless extremely persistent depression, and it could well persist for much longer. So I'm not sure when I'm going to transfer the original draft of the article to http://www.wikibooks.org, not the coming half year anyway. Paulus/laudaka (add me to your YIM/AIM/ICQ/M$N M contact list if you like!) Laudaka's talk page 20:04, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Searching the internet for this subject (what we've searched till now)
This are the search items named in the article:
 * first items:
 * sexual
 * sexual organs (DON'T use quotes)
 * genitals
 * second items:
 * self-harm
 * self-injury
 * self-inflicted violence
 * self-injurious behaviour
 * self-mutilation
 * second items that are less likely to give good search results:
 * SH
 * SI
 * SIV
 * SIB
 * try to look for the abreviation of self-mutilation :-P hehehehehehehe, sorry that's a naughty joke *blush*

combinations searched till now (IN THIS ORDER, remember http://www.google.com DOES give different search results depending on the order of words, also remember that dashes between words don't give differenet search results) pffffffff i get a lot of unrelevant websites pfffff omg i will try first a website i had found already
 * "sexual organs" "self injury"

Abuse FAQ ... This act can be performed in many ways for instance, can include but is not limited to flashing, exposing the naked body, displaying ones sexual organs and/or ... abuse.lifetips.com/faq.asp__Q__SiteID_ _E__503__A__QuestionID__E__27837__A__type__E__0 - 57k - Cached - Similar pages

Abuse.LifeTips.com ... Some survivors engage in self-harm (cutting or burning self, interfering with the ... to flashing, exposing the naked body, displaying ones sexual organs and/or ... abuse.lifetips.com/cs/Abuse/Sexual-Abuse/Facts/Tips.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages

Love for Life - health info - teen pregnancy ... be defined as the act of handling one’s own sexual organs in order ... appropriate channel for releasing sexual tension than for example self harm or involvement ... www.loveforlife.org.uk/health_info/masturbation.htm - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

Nicholas Tonti-Filippini argues the State and Federal Attorneys ... ... She feels sad most of the time and has attempted to self harm. ... followed by surgical treatment to remove female organs and construct male sexual organs. ... www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2161 - 23k - 28 Jun 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

David Skidmore argues that gender reassignment surgery is not ... ... social expectations – so much so that she has engaged in self-harm and has ... who they are can only be achieved by “aligning” their sexual organs with what ... www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2160 - 25k - 27 Jun 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

NeLMH: Common sexual dysfunctions and their treatment - Nonorganic ... ... syndrome', whereby the congestion of blood in the sexual organs causes a ... www.nelmh.org/page_view. asp?c=11&did=983&fc=003001 - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

Female genital mutilation - encyclopedia article about Female ... ... Masturbation is the manual excitation of the sexual organs, most often to the point ... the activity, which was referred to as "self-abuse Self-harm is deliberate ... encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/ Female%20genital%20mutilation - 51k - Cached - Similar pages

CartoonStock Cartoon Images Directory ... explanations self-explanatory self-expression self-gain self-harm selfhelp self ... sexual offence sexual offences sexual organ sexual organs sexual orientation ... www.cartoonstock.com/directory/s/directory_sec-shi.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] 2003 Solidarity & Pride Working Group: Canadian Labour Congress File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... all of which contribute to high rates of depression, self-harm, suicidal tendencies ... Intersex: Someone born with full or partial sexual organs of both genders or ... www.caw.ca/whatwedo/pride/pdf/TRANSpaperEdited.pdf - Similar pages

Self mutilation ... from Repetitive Self-Mutilation Syndrome or Deliberate Self-Harm Syndrome. ... perfectionistic tendencies, dissatisfaction with body shape or sexual organs, and an ... www.geocities.com/unsung_pain/sm.html - 32k - Cached - Similar pages


 * I removed this from the article - it belongs here and not in the article (it's off-topic). --gracefool

REAL HITS on the internet for this subject (till now)
http://www.geocities.com/themomjw/Isurvive138.html Place on the http://www.geocities.com/themomjw website: Enter, Self-Mulitation (with that terrible typo :-D ), Body Image and Self-Injury

Reassuring the author of this page
Good that you started this page, I'm sure it will help someone in future. --gracefool
 * Thanks for the reassurement gracefool! Really kind of you to think of my feelings. I guess it will help someone in the future. Unfortunately it didn't help me :-( it caused me to really seriously self-harm for months so that's why I've been so long away. For anyone working on this article and having the problem that it evokes too strong feelings: Talk about it with your counsellor (which of course I didn't do unfortunately.) And feel free to quit working at the article any time. Leave a message here too say you can't continue working at the article only if that makes you feel better. Paulus/laudaka (add me to your YIM/AIM/ICQ/M$N M contact list if you like!) Laudaka's talk page 20:14, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What doesn't belong in the article space (yet)
I have removed the original research and article discussion to here. Put it back in when there is a reference. Also, please add incomplete/in progress sections to either this page or a temporary page in the user namespace. – PlatinumX 03:19, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

In hospital self-harmers of breasts and sexual organs virtually always get a very chilly welcome
 * Is there any primary source to back this up? I am not removing it, but please cite a source.

Although about 10 percent of the people self-harming have at least once self-harmed their breasts and/or sexual organs, it is rarely admitted. (The 10 percent is based on original research by me, we have to find sources giving a better estimate that we can use as reference)

''This whole paragraph is terribly POV, I will try to find data for writing an NPOV version of this paragraph. I hope other people will help me with finding data with different POV's. Also one thing is probably easy to prove (the sentence about appreciating to be asked about self-harm in the intake).''

So it seems a sensible thing to do that when a ward knows that a patient self-harms, as soon as there is a start of trust in the patient-ward relationship the ward should ask gently to the patient whether she harms her breasts and/or sexual organs. This should never be postponed more than two months. The question can be asked at the intake appointment if the intaker is confident enough the question will help the patient, and not scare her. Note that although intake questions are never meant to help a patient they might do so. Questions about self-harm in intakes are known to help patients.


 * Oh my god, it's indeed terribly with a Point Of View as I wrote. Platinum, I'm not able to reply to your message any more extensive than by saying that I will reply extensively later. Right now I've had enough of the dreadful feelings this subject invokes in me. I'm really sorry it took me so long to reply, and even now I'm only saying I will adress the POV problems later. Paulus/laudaka (add me to your YIM/AIM/ICQ/M$N M contact list if you like!) Laudaka's talk page 20:29, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Archived deletion debate
The archived deletion debate for this article may be found at Talk:Self-harm to breasts and sexual organs/delete -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 01:55, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup Tag
I took the liberty of including a cleanup tag owing to how unintelligible a lot of this writing is. The punctuation here is at best minimal; and the flow is horrendously stilted from anyone's perspective. Not only is the voice poor, there certainly is a dearth of specific information. Acceptable encyclopaedia entries don't contain generalisations. They outline concisely a phenomenon, give examples, and then associate it with others. If the author(s) of this page intend(s) on it remaining at its present location, several things will have to occur. They should:


 * Complete some research on the topic
 * Decide what justifies the existence of this page
 * Proceed to rewrite it as an informative piece (ephemeral and robust)

As it stands, I see no reason why the information presented here could not appear on the self-harm page. This all could effectively be summarised and subsumed by the latter. Earthliberator 05:15, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)