Talk:Self-immolation

Brunnhilde
In the opera Gotterdamerung, the main character of the opera burned herself to the fire. Does this count as the article mentioned? 24.24.187.165 (talk) 00:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

page changes
For reference #6, there is a mention of epilepsy and immolation on the relevant page of the cited text, but it is not available for review. As well, the citation needs the name of the author of the study (a prison doctor) to establish veracity. A prison doctor, a clinician, seems like an unlikely source of information on this point, but I left the citation there for correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.248.176 (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Source
The article doesn't mention this.--Cattus talk 10:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

A page for an incorrect use of a word?
Self-immolation does not mean specifically to burn oneself. It means to sacrifice one's own life. Why is there an entire article to describe the incorrect meaning of a word? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.65.242.61 (talk) 19:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Seconding this. The page should be re-titled to auto-cremation, with "self-immolation" perhaps redirecting to Altruistic suicide. Marisauna (talk) 16:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Updated lead to reflect broader use of "self-immolation." The more specific usage (autocremation) is too ubiquitous, even in scholarly sources (check Google Scholar), to warrant a title change. I'm not sure if the broader usage is used outside studies of Buddhism, which is where I first heard it. Marisauna (talk) 11:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

National Mall
On October 4, 2013 a self-immolation took place in the United States on the National Mall in Washington, DC in view of the United States Capitol Building. This should be added to the page. Ref:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/investigating-a-self-immolation-on-the-mall/2013/10/05/3f509adc-2df0-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_gallery.html#photo=11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.82.192.150 (talk) 02:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Lotus Sutra and the Medicine King
I went and read the sections of the Lotus Sutra regarding the Medicine King and I can find no mention of him self immolating. I will be changing this article to reflect that if an accurate citation is not produced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.54.34.104 (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Found it in "The Lotus Sutra" Chapter 23. Burton Watson p282. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.54.34.104 (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

List of worldwide incidents.
The german article has a list of incidents worwide: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selbstverbrennung. Why not in this englisch version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.2.153.248 (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

"ACE"?
what is ACE in dating? BCE/CE I know. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:35FD:9356:63C5:451E (talk) 11:02, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * According to Dio Cassius, Zarmarus (or Zarmanochegas as Strabo calls him) immolated himself in the year of the consulship of Gaius Sentius and Quintus Lucretius, which would mean 19 BCE, not 13 BCE or 13 CE. Hairy Dude (talk) 03:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

suttee?
see Sati (practice) - should be mentioned here? --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:35FD:9356:63C5:451E (talk) 11:13, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * No. LeticiaLL (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Translate page into italian
Would anybody help me to create an Italian version of this page, since it doesn't exist yet? Sweet child of fire (talk) 14:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sweet child of fire, I don´t speak Italian but if you do, you could try to polish this text. Good luck JimRenge (talk) 15:23, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Sydney Morgan's France
I couldn't find any information on the term "self-immolation" being used as "setting oneself on fire" in Lady Morgan's France (1817). Self-immolation has been mentioned three times without any description of the word.

Wasn't she the one who coined the term? What does self-immolation actually mean?

(The book is available in Google books, anyone can look.) LeticiaLL (talk) 09:13, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Kathy Change
Can we also include Kathy Change's self-immolation in the United States section of this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:41:4380:4580:686B:F18F:ABA8:3ED2 (talk) 22:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Which examples should be listed?
As we can see from this talk page, there's many examples of self-immolation that aren't listed in the actual page. Should this page be a comprehensive list of all examples? I assume not. If we agree it shouldn't be, then how do we decide which examples should be listed or should all the examples be on a different page altogether?

Therealteal (talk) 04:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * There has been a small edit war over this. and a few other editors want to include certain incidents.  does not., do you know any other editors from the past? We should probably discuss this first. Vacosea (talk) 06:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know any of the editors. The first time I came to this page was after Aaron Bushnell self-immolated.
 * My personal opinion is this page should just be the history of self-immolation and then we have a separate page that is just a list of incidents. Let me know your thoughts and we can work on implementing this because obviously the edit warring that's happening isn't working out
 * Therealteal (talk) 06:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Major repeats from List of political self-immolations can be summarized. If I have not missed anything, they involve protests against former Soviet rule, Chinese rule in Tibet, U.S. involvement in the Vietnam war, Indian rule over Telangana, and to a lesser extent Algeria, Gaza, Tamil, and Tunisia. The See also section can then link to Wikipedia articles about any other incidents or individuals. Vacosea (talk) 07:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a separate list article to list out all the incidents. This article should mention and summarize the "waves" of self immolations or self immolations with substantial historic effect, like 1000+ self immolations in India or the one that caused the Arab Spring. Otherwise, this article gets out of control as everyone tries to add the incident that supports their cause. It becomes a heap of disjointed info that's much better served by a list. Renata•3 14:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I have updated the See also section in line with my past revision and Renata3's revert. Vacosea (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Aaron Bushnell
On the list of political self immolation records in the US Aaron Bushnell is listed but its written that he was protesting the genocide going on in the Israel-Hamas war, does this follow neutrality? MissingLight (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * genuinely, why do you think it's not neutral? he pretty clearly stating his reasoning and this article is copying what he said.
 * Therealteal (talk) 19:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * it said his actions were in protest of the 'horrific genocide imposed for 75 years known in the west as the Israel Hamas war' on Palestinians, it didn't say that he was doing it because he thought it was that way
 * it's all gone now, probably want a better page now MissingLight (talk) 21:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)