Talk:Selfie

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Voting selfies
While I noticed there were a good share of articles as well as controversy regarding the "voting selfie", would it merit more of a mention in the article?--DrWho42 (talk) 05:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a full article at Ballot selfie now. --McGeddon (talk) 19:41, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Popular Angles to take Selfies
The most popular angle to take the selfie is side ways, as it enhances the features of the face and makes the subject look more attractive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhavna.mishra (talk • contribs) 14:07, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Innerspace was the first movie to feature a selfie although it was with a Polaroid camera.
See this article from ABC. Quote: "Wisbrod says Dennis Quaid was the first actor, as far as he knows, to bring the selfie to the big screen, in the 1987 film, “Innerspace,” costarring Meg Ryan and Martin Short." The scene happens at the beginning of the movie, Quaid's character takes the selfie with a female lab assistant before he is miniaturized. Someone Not Awful (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Still of the scene on Imgur. It happens roughly 13 minutes into the movie. Someone Not Awful (talk) 21:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/3/11157362/sci-fi-film-selfie-stick-1970 Face-smile.svg — Paleo Neonate  – 17:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Defining the selfie.
I noticed that the lead has no source outside of pronunciation. There appears to be no consensus among sources throughout the article which would support the lead. There appears to be little consensus at all. [This] article from The Getty speaks with a curator and a writer about whether a selfie is a self-portrait (as stated in the lead). It concludes that a selfie can be a self-portrait and that either can be art, but that not all are art, nor are all selfies self-portraits. The article is responded to [here] "It is important to remember these images are shared as part of a conversation, a series of contextual interactions and are connected to the selfie-maker in an intimate, embodied and felt way. We are allowed to leave these elements out of our reading of artist’s self-portraits." It also points to research into the psychology of selfies, which would also contrast with self-portraiture, as it is not such a prevalent social norm. Indeed data scraping and other business tactics engage with selfies in an [extreme] way. [This] article from a photo editor writing at the National Geographic strongly agrees: "Self-portraits are not selfies. They are beautiful and revealing. The good ones are extremely difficult to make." As such a self-portrait is not satisfied by the clicking of a button by a robot or a monkey, and is less likely to have been taken in space, or by simply holding a camera at arms length and clicking 15 times, or by accident.(sidenote: are all 15 shots selfies, or just the ones selected for sharing?) Also, wikipedia doesn't have a list of self-portrait-related injuries and deaths. Also, wikipedia limits self-portraits to artists. Sources in the history section of this page refer to them interchangeably, but the lead also says they're typically digital and uploaded, which is not historically possible (i.e. the lead is contradicting its sources). Also the lead says selfies are usually flattering and made to appear casual which is hardly true portraiture, especially historically.

Furthermore, a quick google search will show multitudes of essays, blogs, 'news' articles about what is and is not a selfie, and there is little sense of agreement. Definitions are different in AP stylebook, the OED, and wiktionary (which differentiates between definition and usage). [This] in-depth article suggest the term selfie has become "an "anachronym," a word or phrase that remains in usage even as behaviors change", which, if true, would make it hard to assert any meaningful definition. The Guardian [reports], "Selfie may yet become the latest anachronym, a phrase meaning a photo taken of oneself, but crucially retaining the second half of that dictionary definition: “with a smartphone or webcam and uploaded to a social media website”." Though its own style guide disagrees, saying any photo you took with you in it is a selfie. [The Society Pages] goes through a number of offered definitions, many of which are offered in essays from the International Journal on Communication. The Washington Post [said]: "Regardless of who’s in the photo, the majority ruled, only the person physically holding the camera(phone) gets to call it a “selfie.”" Distancing themselves from the word buy quoting it, and suggesting that a selfie is only a selfie if it is your selfie. It seems problematic to say a selfie is what the sources say it is, if they do not agree with one another or even that it is a word that can be said to describe any static set of behaviors. I am requesting a discussion on how to define and reliably source this lead, and whether or not all the above discussion qualifies 'prominent controversy' which should be included in the lead as stated in WP:LEAD. As such, I will also place a cite check on the article. Fiachaire (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

killfie
I've heard about the name they started to give to mortal selfie, killfie. There is also some software development to detect critical area to take a selfie based on the difference in altitude of neighboring points. I'm not saying this is important, but I came to the article to read if there was anything else also here on wikipedia. So I guess soon or later some sentences about the topic should be included.--Alexmar983 (talk) 03:07, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2017
Can you please change the selfie photo in the page to the one below? My girl friend who is a selfie addict would jump with joy if she represented the word selfie on Wiki. Please help a man out, I can't afford a big diamond. This would do it, though.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Ammu_DU_Selfie.jpg Sns.siva (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  JTP  (talk • contribs) 19:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

The feminist perspective on selfies should be headed as such.
The subsection currently named "Gender roles, sexuality, and privacy" is nothing more than the feminist perspective on selfies and NOT the scientific consensus of the impact of selfies on gender roles, sexuality and privacy. Which is what you'd expect to see in a section called Sociology.

Given feminism's popularity and importance in today's society and given feminists interest in promoting their perspective on selfies, I may be willing to concede that having a paragraph that explains their perspective is relevant to this article. However, it should be labelled as such and be written using the appropriate point of view (feminists believe X, as opposed to X is the truth). 78.34.250.11 (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Statement on revenge porn is incorrectly attributed to Andrew Keen
The second phrase of the paragraph implies that the entire opinion stated is that of Andrew Keen. However, the opinion attributed to him is in fact in two parts, the first part is interpreted from short out of context quotes sourced from an article written by Megan Murphy and the second part comes from Megan Murphy herself.

The Andrew Keen reference should be removed entirely along with what may or may not be his opinion (IMO it likely is, but given that the very first paragraph of his wikipedia entry says: "Keen is especially concerned about the way that the current Internet culture undermines the authority of learned experts and the work of professionals." I think it behooves us to err on the side of caution.)

The rest of the opinion can remain but should be correctly attributed to Megan Murphy.

So, I propose that the phrase:

Writer Andrew Keen has pointed out that while selfies are often intended to give the photographer control over how their image is presented, posting images publicly or sharing them with others who do so may have the opposite effect—dramatically so in the case of revenge porn, where ex-lovers post sexually explicit photographs or nude selfies to exact revenge or humiliate their former lovers.

be replaced with

Feminist writer Megan Murphy has pointed out that posting images publicly or sharing them with others who do so may have a dramatic effect in the case of revenge porn, where ex-lovers post sexually explicit photographs or nude selfies to exact revenge or humiliate their former lovers.

78.34.250.11 (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Which paragraph are you talking about here? Furthermore, I recommend a consensus, as the original author of the paragraph might not be in agreement. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Accessories section: deleted text
I deleted the following:

''Another device that has become popular among consumers and many celebrities is the LuMee phone case. This was created in 2011 by Allan Shoemaker, professional photographer, after he realized that because of lighting issues some selfies were terrible quality. The phone case contains the perfect amount of lights around the front of the phone to illuminate the users face while taking a selfie. The idea came about when Shoemaker decided everyone looked good in a makeup mirror, therefor he replicated that in the form a phone case. Once Kim Kardashian got a hold of the LuMee case everyone had to have one. The LuMee phone case creates the perfect picture changing the selfie game.''

Aside from being rather badly written, this paragraph appears to have been inserted purely to advertise the product in question. The language is non-encyclopedic in tone and makes grand claims without citation. Did Kim Kardashian really "get a hold of" a LuMee case? Does everyone "have to have one"? Does it really "create the perfect picture"? 206.208.104.20 (talk) 18:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2018
Recent studies examining the relationship between personality and selfie-posting behaviors suggest that extraversion and social exhibitionism positively predict frequency of selfie posting, whereas self-esteem is generally unrelated to selfie-posting behaviors. . Activity in posting selfies is related to particular psychological characteristics, i.e. social exhibitionism and extraversion, but not self-esteem. Selfies can also indicate maladaptive patterns of personality such as histrionic personality disorder, however to date this was only confirmed in men AnnOlesz (talk) 10:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Padlock-silver-open.svg Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  16:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Judging from the page history I believe the above comment is part of a BRD by the poster. The use of edit semi-protected was inappropriate since the article is not currently protected, but proposing text for addition to the article on this talk page is definitely appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  16:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Origin of the word "Selfie"
This article is wrong about the first time the word selfie appeared in the media. The article says... 2002. But, Pioneer named their portable stereo the "Private SELFIE" in 1988... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.233.218 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Les Dennis
Les Dennis used the word 'selfie' in relation to taking a photograph of yourself in a 2001 episode of Family Fortunes (Carlton Television S21 Ep14). It was during the final round with the Chatter Family and was repeated on Challenge TV on the 16th August 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.172.195 (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2020
A link suggests Two rare early selfies made in the 1890th as stereoscopic glass positives Mind.work.space (talk) 13:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ Per WP:RS and WP:COI. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Marking as answered.  JTP (talk • contribs) 19:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2020
2409:4064:A9A:4743:FDB0:F3F4:A00C:2F70 (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC) nmnmbn bittu kumar
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Nonsense request. — Tartan357  (Talk) 07:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Reese Witherspoon
Can this be used to say she pioneered the modern selfie? Kailash29792 (talk)  16:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No, that article is clearly a playful take on the topic. OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Few image fixups
Hi everyone, how's it going? Just to let you all know I have fixed a few images up and added a few extra to the article. I trust this is ok. I am trying this method out so we can discuss it before reverting. Maybe BDR (bold, discuss, revert) might work, as I can get feedback to improve myself!! -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 05:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Reverted as again the images were fine and didn't need replacing nor did the images need reducing. You're more than welcome to start an RFC on it. – Davey 2010 Talk 13:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I am taking this to ANI as you always have this version. I will leave the next time you revert me as I am fed up with you. -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Davey2010 and me arguing over preferred version
We have a heated discussion. prefers this version, but I do not want to seek another block therefore I want to discuss it here.

My version is more detailed but I have replaced with various authors images to make it fair for everyone. Had it been the old 2018 me, then I would have shoved back all my own, but I wanted to take advice and replace it. I thought my version looked ok, but I want some other thoughts on whos is better. In that case, if the former is better then I'll quit Wikipedia and no longer edit this section. -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Created an RFC which hopefully may gather some outsiders faults, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 13:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok no worries. Thankyou Davey :) Sorry again for the edit war -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 13:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC about images
Various images in the article were replaced and shrunk down, Which version is best?


 * Version 1
 * Version 2

– Davey 2010 Talk 13:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * (Apologies I wasn't sure which category the RFC goes in but given it all relates to cameras I therefore assumed technology would be the correct one but apologies if it's not. Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 13:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC))

!votes

 * Version 1 This longstanding version is fine; version 2 is not an improvement. OhNo itsJamie Talk 13:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Version 1 - Personally I'm not seeing a reason to replace or shrink down images as the images aren't mediocre and as far as I'm aware image sizes don't affect navigation of the article (obviously it all depends on the device but thumbsize has been considered fine). I also agree with Jamie that Version 2 isn't an improvement. – Davey 2010 Talk 14:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok that's cool. No I wanted to improve, but you keep discouraging me to the point I want to cause problems. But if another user agrees with you, that's fine and I will no longer push for my images and do something else in the meantime. I'm sorry and I won't touch this article ever again. -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Version 1 is better. I was tempted to just close this, as the opposing side has been blocked which renders the issue effectively unanimous. I didn't because the block just happened yesterday, and it is at least plausible they could request&receive an unblock. Alsee (talk) 22:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Version 1 It is better than version 2. Sea Ane (talk) 21:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Discussion
P.S. Davey2010 I just recalled that WP:RFCEND notes that the RFC authors may withdraw an RFC, which seems reasonable if we assume EurovisionNim is unlikely to return-and-object any time soon. Alsee (talk) 22:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Alsee, Just made a long reply here and then I realised I'm not the one that needs to get consensus here as I'm not the one that changed the content in the first place. Thanks for your message I'll go ahead and close this as withdrawn, Many thanks, Warm Regards, – Davey 2010 Talk 01:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * About to head off to bed so haven't got time to flaff around striking but I agree with your comment above in that he could easily become unblocked either tomorrow or 6 months .... and if he kicks off again we're back to square one!, Obviously I;m not tthe one that needs to get consensus as I'm not the person who changed the entire article but I guess for an easier life and in case anything happens in the future I guess it'd be better just to leave it opne and let consensus emerge, I would agree at this point it is sorta pointless but as I said if anything happens in the future at least we wont be back at square one, thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 01:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Casualty study
Selfie-related deaths using web epidemiological intelligence tool (2008 to 2021): A cross-sectional study (The Journal of Travel Medicine) Mapsax (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Too many howevers
Just noticed there's a lot of howevers in the sentence below the example selfies

Never made an edit, but that kind of bugged me. Just replace the howevers with something else so it's not that many in one sentence and reads better. 2A02:810D:4CC0:2561:7D5C:1607:B321:C728 (talk) 21:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2024
I am suggesting that the phrase "both genders" be changed to "all genders," so as to be more inclusive. 50.39.98.235 (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ I removed it as it serves no purpose and doesn't appear to be sourced. M.Bitton (talk) 12:48, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for feedback - March 17 2024
I recently published a Wikipedia article on Snapchat dysmorphia and noticed it was linked under the "facial distortion effects" section - Thank you! I would appreciate any feedback on the Snapchat dysmorphia article. Please reach out if you have any questions/concerns. Thank you! - Jinnyjin123 (talk) 04:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)