Talk:Selton Hill ambush

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The article says an Orangeman and a double agent in the IRA were killed. Are they not casualties? And who is this 'Leavy' person quoted? He is not mentioned otherwise so shouild be excised.--Fynire (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The Orangeman (who informed the RIC of IRA activity) was not killed during the battle, he was executed by the IRA sometime later. The info provided by Leavy is from a 1955 edition of The Kerryman and is cited here. However I'm not sure which 'Leavy' is being referred to. ~Asarlaí 13:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Both were plainly casualties of the ambush like someone dying of their wounds a month later would also be. If the two killed by the IRA are not included as casualties this article is just memorialising the IRA dead.--Fynire (talk) 09:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * And there is something wrong with that? Sarah777 (talk) 02:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Memorialising is not for Wikipedia. I don't think numbering or naming the dead is but blatant pro-militaristic propaganda has to be out of order.

And what happened to the earlier refernce to a double agent in the IRA also being taken out - "In a 1955 edition of The Kerryman, Leavy says six were killed and that they were betrayed by two of their compatriots. He does say that that one was promptly executed by the IRA"--Fynire (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The article says the man 'executed' as an informer was an Orangeman (a term used here pejoratively) therefore to say a Protestant was killed is perfectly accurate as an Orangeman is ipso facto a Protestant. The term 'informer' is also totally inappropriate for an Orangeman or Protestant in these circumstances. Dehumanising the man with that term alone is quite wrong. --Fynire (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)