Talk:Selwyn Lloyd

Military service
If he reached the rank of brigadier, there ought to be some details of his service record. Valetude (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * There's disappointingly little in the 1989 Thorpe biog, perhaps because Thorpe is not a milhist nerd like you or I. There is a photo of him waiting on Harold Alexander, in Korea in June 1952 - they were both government ministers then, but for some reason decided to wear uniform whilst inspecting the front. IIRC he was, in Widmerpool fashion, already a TA Captain when the war started - that and his advanced age (early forties) account for his high rank. Like a lot of Second Army, I don't think he'd served abroad before 1944.Paulturtle (talk) 00:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Have added stuff about all of the above.Paulturtle (talk) 04:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Further to the above, he seems only to have been an acting brigadier, although he was officially listed as such when he stood for Parliament in 1945 and was still known by the rank for a few years afterwards. By 1951 he was a "Major (Hon. Colonel)", and had presumably been active in the TA in the intervening period although I don't have a source which says so explicitly. I wonder whether colonel might have been his war substantive rank which he was allowed to keep, whilst major was the rank which his service in the TA since 1937 had earned him by seniority - but that's just a guess on my part. If somebody wants to go combing the London Gazette for all his promotion dates, be my guest.Paulturtle (talk) 04:32, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Infobox - political party details
As Lloyd stood for parliament as the Liberal candidate for Macclesfield in the 1929 general election and given that, as the article notes, he was an active Liberal early in his career should the "Political party" section of the Infobox not note that he was Liberal in addition to his being a Conservative (and then non-party after he became Speaker)? Other cabinet ministers who had a different political allegiance very early in their careers have this reflected in their infoboxes - for instance David Mundell's infobox covers the fact he was a member of the SDP. Dunarc (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC) amended by Dunarc (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

The Leas School?
He was educated at the Leas School.
 * Where is The Leas? I wondered whether it was a misprint for The Leys, Cambridge, but there was no mention of him in their list of alumni. Valetude (talk) 15:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * A quick google search throws up "The Leas School" (1898 - 1985) in Hoylake, so presumably that one. It appears to have been a boys-only prep school, alumni of which included Mike Rutherford of Genesis and Nicholas Monsarrat, author of The Cruel Sea. The site, which is near Royal Liverpool Golf Club, was converted into a housing estate from 1999, the school buildings having been demolished some time earlier. Paulturtle (talk) 23:27, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Gay Affair
According to Vol 3 of the new edition of Chips Channon's diaries, just prior to his marriage Lloyd had some kind of fling with Nigel Davies (historian) who was briefly a very young Tory MP in 1950-1. I've only read a book review, so I leave this one out there for the moment. Paulturtle (talk) 18:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)