Talk:Seneca–Cayuga Nation

May 23, 2008 edits
Why was the "" edit deleted? Is the later reference supposed to refer to that statement too? If so, I suggest that the reference go where the "" was inserted and then put a to make it less confusing.69.202.103.100 (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

In order for a decision to made on an application logic dictates that an application was made. To cite the same source for both events in both locations is redundant and unnecassary. It should be cited after the information on the final decision which is what most people are interested in anyway. --Dtwarren (talk) 02:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not redundant, it's how a proper paper should be. You cite to everything. It's the normal, logical, educated means of writing an academic paper. Of course, I'm only working on my Phd, what do I know about logic, right? 69.202.103.100 (talk) 10:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

So once you obtain your Phd will you cite to your college application on your resumes and other writings in addition to the fact that you obtained your Phd?--72.65.11.115 (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, my grandfather said to never get into a pissing match with an idiot. So I won't. But if this is an academic article, it should comply with proper citation procedures, the only logical and educated thing to do. 69.202.103.100 (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please read --72.65.11.115 (talk) 17:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Reverted edits by Dtwarren
Upstate Citizens for Equality, Chairman Dan Warren is hardly a neutral/reliable source. In my opinion User: Dtwarren should be locked from further changes to this Wikipedia page to prevent biased, revisionist, information regarding the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma from being posted. No one called anyone a racist. A reliable Native American news article was quoted. What business is it of Upstate Citizens for Equality to be editing the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma's Wikipedia page? -- Hexe1998 01:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverted edits by Hexe1998
I reverted the edits of Hexe1998 because the source cited was not neutral, and, in IMHO, does not qualify as a reliable source. I also do not believe that it complies with neutral point of view and by the editor commenting on the contributor and not the content and calling people racist is in violation of no personal attacks policy and the policies on civility and biographies of living persons.--Dtwarren 18:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Tribal Name Question
Greetings: I'm curious about the interpretation of the name "Seneca" that's in this article. It says that "Seneca is from the Iroquoian term which means "people of the standing or protecting rock or stone" derived from Onenuile 'ron 'no." I always thought that "the people of the standing stone" were the Oneida tribe whose name was derived from their own name for themselves, "Onyota'a:ka", a word meaning "people of the standing stone". There seems to be some confusion here on Wikipedia because the Seneca article says that the name Seneca comes from the word Onödowága meaning "People of the Great Hill". Perhaps someone can clear this up for me. Thanks Deconstructhis (talk) 22:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There may be a mix-up of languages here. This is what I know:
 * Seneca Nation's name for themselves is Onandowaga, which means "People of the Great Hill" and is the identical name the Onondaga call themselves.
 * Within the Iroquois Confederacy, they were designated as the "Keeper of the Western Door" due to their western-most location within that confederacy.
 * The name "Seneca" itself may come from one of the following:
 * name of the principle Seneca village called "Osininka" (but I don't know what this village's name's meaning).
 * from the Anishinaabe name for this group of Naadawe, who were called Asinikaan ("[Those from the] Place Full of Stones"), which may have been applied to this group of Naadawe only because the name of their principle village happens to sound like this particuar Anishinaabe word.
 * CJLippert (talk) 00:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Needing general clean-up and expansion
OK folks, the article is a really good start on the tribe. I have gone and added in the governance information, the governmental programs, and the official contact information. However, we can make this better by removing the POV statements that ooze from every paragraph. So, here are some suggestions:
 * Shorten the intro paragraph to the basics: who, what and where;
 * Give the demographics of the tribal population, maybe even enrollment requirements;
 * Clean up the history;
 * Discuss about the business ventures of the tribe next;
 * Discuss about the oppositions the tribe faces;
 * Expand on the governance
 * Expand on the programs
 * Provide a listing of "See also"
 * Provide a listing of "References" (hopefully, this would be a reflection of the in-line references)
 * Provide a listing of "Additional readings"
 * Expand on the "External links"
 * Provide a map, maybe the Tribe's flag and/or seal, and any other interesting graphics to enhance the article.

Hope this would be helpful. CJLippert (talk) 06:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)