Talk:Sent-down youth

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please do not erase or overly edit, as translation is in progress 劳逸结合 06:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Main page hits
The article Shi Tiesheng was featured on the main page of Wikipedia on 2010-05-12. The hook was "Did you know ... ... that Chinese writer Shi Tiesheng was paralyzed at age 21 while he was a zhiqing?" Interestingly, the article on Shi Tiesheng received 2.2k views, while the zhiqing article (an alias for this article) received more than double the hits, 5.9k.--Larrybob (talk) 17:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fewer people care about random writers whose work is mostly lost in translation. It is nice to know what these kids are called... although really there isn't a set term in English yet. — Llywelyn II   05:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move to Sent-down youth Nathan Johnson (talk) 17:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Rusticated Youth of China → Sent-down youth – per WP:COMMONNAME. "Sent-down youth" seems to be the more common term, with 88,000 google results versus 23,000 for "Rusticated youth". In any case, the current title does not comply with WP:MOSTITLE. It uses unnecessary words ("of China") and unnecessary capitalization ("Youth"). Zanhe (talk) 08:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * Oppose per WP:AT the best option would be a title that could be understood and was sufficiently precise, such as Youth sent down to the countryside in China . "Sent-down youth" is meaningless without "of China" In ictu oculi (talk) 09:35, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with removing the Y, as would anyone per WP:CAPS, and have done so as non-controversial housekeeping. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Sent-down youth" is already a precise term that's widely used in translation of the Chinese term zhiqing. See CNN article: Xi Jinping: From 'sent-down youth' to China's top; SCMP article: TV drama on 'sent down youth' too rosy; Book title: The Role of Sent-Down Youth in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, etc. It makes no sense to use a title like Youth sent down to the countryside in China when a widely used, precise term is readily available.  Also, "of China" is redundant as the term is not used in any other country. Analogies are Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward: neither article has "of China" in the title.  -Zanhe (talk) 10:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I won't discuss why Great Leap Forward is not an analogy, someone else may want to. After looking in more detail the term used in histories (as opposed to translations of zhiqing) is "sending urban youth to the countryside" which is (i) a more precise term, (ii) more understandable per WP:AT, and (iii) has more Google Books in text-body use than sent-down youth. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? A google book search for "sending urban youth to the countryside" yields 55 results, while "sent-down youth" yields 13,300. A title like sending urban youth to the countryside fails the conciseness requirement of WP:AT, without gaining any precision. As shown above, sent-down youth is a precise and widely used term. Nobody is going to type "sending urban youth to the countryside" when looking for the article. -Zanhe (talk) 06:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * strongly support "Sent down youth" is the term which readers come across and would search for; it is the standard translation of zhiqing; and causes the least confusion. ch (talk) 15:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. In addition to what ch says, it helps clarify that "sent-down" is not simply descriptive in English but a formal translated term. Shrigley (talk) 23:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Alternate Sent-down youth of China -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 23:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, there are no sent-down youths outside of China, so the "of China" part is redundant. -Zanhe (talk) 06:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


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Chinese name
As per the searches mentioned here, zhiqing is probably actually the most common term in English for these people. (The raw number's muddied by all of the people named one "Zhiqing" or the other, too, obviously.) The (more or less) direct translation "Educated Youth" is also quite common. — Llywelyn II   05:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, "rusticated youth" is probably a paraphrase from the Chinese "Down to the Countryside Movement" (xiang being variously translated), but where did "sent-down youth" come from? It certainly sounds like a translation of a Chinese name... or was it just coined from the movement as well (xia as a verb instead of a preposition)? Obviously zhiqing is most common now but we should add the other to the infobox if it was notable at the time or is a common alternate name in Chinese. — Llywelyn II   05:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Found it. — Llywelyn II   01:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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