Talk:Senyera/Archive 1

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From Spain the history of this flag is a lie. Don't belive it.
 * If you want to say something precicise you words. -Lemmy- 13:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The true origin of the flag is Aragonese, not Catalan.
 * Hmm...Never heard of that.I only know the tale that King Charles dipped in fingers in blood and signed a shield.So there's in fact whether a catalan nor a aragonese origin. -Lemmy- 19:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Valencia's name as Autonomous Community is Valencian Community (Comunidad Valenciana), not Valencian Country. By the way, this flag origin is Aragonese, not Catalan. But, Catalonia and Aragon have been united since 1137, so the Senyera are in Catalonia for nine centuries, so it's normal that some people think this flag is originally Catalan.

Oldest Flag in the world?
Following a comment appeared in the article claiming this fact I thought an explanation had to be made.


 * 1) It is not the oldest flag in the world: Just think of, as an example at the flag of Asturias, this Cross was carried by Don Pelayo (later King Pelayo), in the decisive Battle of Covadonga against the Moors in 722. But then, think at all the counties, regions, territories that coexisted in those years in Europe, (Even coutries like France existed before the Senyera was invented). And before the christians, think of Al-Andalus, Rome (the SPQR) and the rest of the world. Even the Vatican one is proved to be older. China or Egypt or Mesopotamia already had flags when people in Europe were discovering bronze.
 * 2) It is not the oldest coat of arms in the world: Again, think of Rome's (SPQR), the bourgogne cross, the french fleur de lys or just the cross carried by Don Pelayo.
 * 3) It is not the oldest flag in continued use: Again, forgetting China's (which I do not know), The senyera can doubtly be consider the oldest in continued use because neither Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia, Roussillon, Balears have used it ever since, other being used, for small or large, amounts of time. It is because of that that this title should go (again, in western world) to the Dannebrog (Dannish flag), which fell (According to a 17th c. myth), from the sky among the Danish forces during the battle of Lyndanisse in Estonia on June 15, 1219. According to some, the Danish levy navy immediately adopted it as its symbol, making Dannebrog the oldest national flag in continued use. However, real proof of use dates back at best to Valdemar IV (king 1340-75). This way Denmark and Austria can both claim the oldest flag, that of Austria being known on seals from 1230. But again for Austria, a seal is not a flag. And also that the Senyera has no national status.

Regards, Maurice27 22:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Proportions of the Valencian autonomous community Flag

 * After a quite extensive search throughtout the whole internet, I haven't been able to find any single source to state that this flag has 1:2 proportions. No laws, no estatutes, no decrees... nothing. I have to say, that I ALMOST couldn't find anything to state it is 2:3 either... Only the source I gave some weeks ago, and that "some users" didn't believe... BUT, then, I thought about where to adress to ask for a confirmed source. And what better choice than the Spanish Vexillological Society (the SEV, see []) which, BTW is a member of the Fédération internationale des associations vexillologiques. So, I believe this source to be the most trustworthy of all.


 * This said, I went to SEV site, [], and found a "banderas" (flags) link on the left. Then, I clicked on the "Comunidades Autónomas" link, see [], and then on the "Comunidad Valenciana/Comunitat Valenciana" one see [], to get here: [], where it clearly states a proportions of 2:3.


 * But, maybe this society simply had these same proportions for all spanish autonomous communities flags... WRONG! let's see some examples:


 * 1) CASTILLA Y LEÓN: proportions 76:99. See, []
 * 2) CASTILLA-LA MANCHA: proportions 1:2. See, []
 * 3) COMUNIDAD DE MADRID: proportions 7:11. See, []
 * 4) PAÍS VASCO/EUSKADI: proportions 14:25. See, []
 * Being ALL OTHERS of proportions 2:3.


 * I sincerely hope this FINALLY ends the fight about the proportions. I gave the most trustworthy source available, which NO ONE can doubt. Regards, --Maurice27 14:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Legality in Spain
I heard that the senyera was legally displayable in Spain since 1975 before the death of Franco. Can you confirm? --Error 01:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Franco's dictatorship forbid the Senyera, the Catalan language, and the History of Catalonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.16.205.127 (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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The origen
It is not true that the flag of Catalonia was pontificien, the only demonstration that is an umbrella for a pope in red, yellow and blue paint In the eleventh century


 * Sorry, you are wrong. The two freschoes were painted last thirteenth century after the King Peter the catholic's gift.--Sclua (talk) 19:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)