Talk:September 1276 papal election

Pope-elect
Carlos, I commend your historical research into this topic. I would note that no one claims Vicedomini was actually a pope, only a pope-elect. Given the norms prevailing at the time, there was no dispute that a pope-elect who died before proclamation (and thus enthroning) would not be considered a pope. Thus, John XXI not mentioning him as his predecessor is not that strong a piece of evidence against this. The lack of contemporary accounts and the dispute over whether his relative was a cardinal are stronger pieces of evidence, but I think this article currently is too conclusive. I would prefer that the subject be treated more neutrally and not include statements like "All these facts seem to justify the conclusion, that the story about pope-elect Gregory XI is a fiction". This is sourced, which is good, but it should also be attributed (ideally, quoted) rather than being stated as objective fact. Savidan 14:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The silence of pope John XXI is a strong evidence - according to decree In Nomine Domini pope-elect has a full authority from the time of his election - proclamation of the election doesn't matter here. I've changed the final sentence - I think it now sounds better, but I'm open for the discussion and further remarks CarlosPn (talk) 14:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Cardinal-nephew
The title is not a title held for life, only during Uncle's reign. Also, not every papal nephew who is a cardinal is a cardinal-nephew, as e.g. Alessandro Farnese and Ranuccio Farnese. Also, also, the title is wildly anachronistic. Neither the title nor the office existed in the thirteenth century. Vicedomino (talk) 06:17, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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