Talk:September 24, 2005, anti-war protest

Sections for additional U.S. cities
Should we have headings for, say, San Francisco and Los Angeles instead of just D.C. and "other cities?" It's not like there's any lack of material for other cities; DC just had the most people. Rogue 9 02:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * By all means, if we can get enough information on there to justify separate headings. At this point, the article as a whole still needs a lot of work.  I intend to write quite a bit for it myself, after I finish up some work on my own site about the day's events.  Schuminweb 21:56, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

we need a lot of photos and not ones of fools either.
we need a lot of photos and not ones of fools either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grazon (talk • contribs) 25 Sept 2005
 * Err? Do you mean we need more photo's (agree) that are of non-fools or need more photo's that are not taken by fools. Either way the remark is either odd or harsh. The current picture is not great but hay its better then nothing.--JK the unwise 17:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I can get you plenty of photos. Whether you'll like them or not is another story entirely. Rogue 9 02:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I've got plenty of photos, too, especially of the World Bank/IMF group that joined the main march after marching from Dupont Circle. Rogue 9, where did most of your photos come from?  Schuminweb 21:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The ones I was thinking of actually mostly came from the San Francisco rally; after posting that, I just decided to link to the gallery in the external links. I can get some from DC, but don't have any readily available, as I wasn't there.  Rogue 9 03:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to set up a little "gallery" section
Since it seems we have a lot of photos already, and it's (A) starting to look somewhat haphazard, and (B) I haven't even added my own photos yet, I'm going to create a "gallery" section at either the bottom of the article, or the bottom of the section for DC. Haven't decided which way yet.

I also plan to add photos from the World Bank/IMF feeder march, some of the Black Bloc's separate march, as well as photos from the mainstream march.

Also, I don't know how helpful it will be, but I have my own photo spread on the day's events already (which is why I'm so late in working on this article), and maybe someone can find something useful in there. SchuminWeb • Talk 05:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I now have some two or maybe three hundred photos available from the D.C. counterprotest, as well as the vigils held the day before and after. I'll go about picking out the highest-quality ones.  I'll try to be as neutral and relevant as I can; I presume that close-up shots of individuals wouldn't fit in an encyclopedia?  Rogue 9 05:42, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to say one way or the other about an entire category of photos without seeing something. It all depends on the context.  I used a close-up photo of an individual in the Free Republic article (File:FReepers.jpg), showing Freepers at a counter-protest.  So it all depends, I guess.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, unfortunately the first guy to post his pictures put them on Village Photos, and everyone else followed suit instead of getting a real host. Working on rehosting the better ones now. Rogue 9 03:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Right, here's what I've got: First, Protest Warriors leading the ANSWER march.  Another picture from a few seconds earlier. Video of same. When this giant dove came by, counterprotesters called out "AFLAC!" in reference to Aflac commercials.  Even the protesters thought it was funny.  A reporter from al Jazeera interviewing a counterprotester.  I love Capitalism!  A man from the Democratic Underground.  When he was telling counterprotesters how they were oppressed and so forth, someone called for a show of hands of who had been banned from the DU.  Over half the PWs' hands went up.  "More than five times?"  There were still about twenty hands.  Masked members of the black bloc.  Police line in front of the Capitol.  Protest Warriors on the line.  The man on the left is an Iraqi expatriate present with a pro-U.S. Muslim group; I forget the name of their outfit.  More of the same.  Pro-life protesters with the anti-war march.  ISO members as seen from the counterprotest line.  The picture was taken during the traditional ranting about how the streets belong to them, and not the counter protesters.  I was under the impression that they were public streets, but whatever.  A sign calling for the assassination of the President.


 * Photobucket lost some of the ones I was uploading for some reason; something about an invalid URL scheme. I'll try for them again.  Rogue 9 01:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I found this photo on the Cindy Sheehan article. . Its nice 'cus it show the crowd as a whole. However, I am dubiuos about its copyright status, it is soursed from indymedia were it is listed as public domain but I think its probally been nicked from a news story as there is no explantion of how the idividual got the arial shot.--JK the unwise 22:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Added 20,000 stat
"We are preparing for as many as 20,000 people, just to be on the safe side," said Kristinn Taylor, a leader of FreeRepublic.com, one of the sponsors. "People have been fired up over the past month, especially military family members, and they want to be heard." [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1491058/posts] This quote was originally on CNN, but now gone, thus the link to FR.

NBGPWS 06:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Added More Photos
Hey, I found this wiki page and decided to post my photos from the anti-war. Yes it's a bit late, but I think they are really great photos. I don't want to step on any toes though, and add some to the main article. SeanWDP 06:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're leery about putting your photos in the article (which needs more text before it ought to have more photos), have you thought about placing your shots on Wikimedia Commons? We already have a gallery page (see September 24, 2005 anti-war protest), and a category (see Commons:Category:September 24, 2005 anti-war protest), and your photos would fit quite well at those locations.


 * Also, I'm disappointed - I wasn't in any of the photos that you posted on your Web site! SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I swear, you are thinking the same thing I am! I was combing through your galleries looking for me SeanWDP 22:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * So did you see yourself? I admit, though, that I showed more of the black bloc than the mainstream march, so you might not see yourself.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Counter Rally
There was a counter protest set up at the J Edgar Building that I have three photos of, but I have no idea how to code it in a clean way, like the picture of the Breakaway march section. If someone could help me out, it would be much appreciated.

links are here: http://www.seanmcollins.com/Web_Galleries/AntiWar/large-85.html http://www.seanmcollins.com/Web_Galleries/AntiWar/large-86.html http://www.seanmcollins.com/Web_Galleries/AntiWar/large-87.html

They're fairly blurry, so I think honestly the only thing they should be used for is small thumbnails.... I was walking while I took the pictures and decided not to slow down and take a steady shot, I was afraid someone would either run me over or the counter protesters would come after me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SeanWDP (talk • contribs) 22:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Not too bad, albeit blurry, but the three you mentioned mostly duplicate material on Commons. See here, here, and here.  Also, you should have stopped - I was with another person, and we were both dressed in full black bloc.  We stopped for a moment.  They taunted us, but they behaved.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Self Promotion
One user constantly reverts edits I have made removing shameful self advertisement to a commercial website. Could an admin or crat please ban him for a length of time so he learns his lesson? Goodandhonestwhig (talk) 12:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly proper to include the name of a Web site in the link. SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It just happens to be your website. Which is just too big of a coincidence for this old cynic ;-)


 * Just a bit of advice, you would achieve much more by discussion and collaboration rather than unilaterally making decisions, reverting and ignoring. Have a bit of common social tact. Goodandhonestwhig (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It is my Web site. I've identified other Web sites by name as well.  It is not uncommon to refer to Web sites by name.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you see no ethical problem in having a link to your own website in an article you have edited. I see massive ethical problems there, and since a lack of ethics from disruptive editors like you are ruining this site, it was my duty to report you to AIAV. Goodandhonestwhig (talk) 12:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That was a bad report Toddst1 (talk) 12:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Linking And Such
Okay, I was incorrect about their being no citation for the report of protesters mistaking backfirings for rubber bullets. Mea culpa. But...I feel the website linked to is heavily biased...a concept I really haven't encountered much on Wikipedia, i.e. links to sites that seem biased. Food for thought. P.S. I probably missed a wikipedia policy page; I've done it before. Lots42 (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, no need to apologize. These things, they happen.  We understand.


 * Otherwise, though, I'll be the first to admit that Indymedia sites aren't the world's greatest sources. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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