Talk:September 6, 2007, Osama bin Laden video

Where initially released?
Does anyone know what forum this video was first announced on? - Chrisbrunner.com 11:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The article is written in a wierd tone
Passages in the article make it sound like this video is some kind of music video that people have waited for, like if a music star has taken a break from showbusiness and now has a smashing comeback. The article should be written in a more neutral tone and also reflect the world's reaction to the video, not just GWB. Themanwithoutapast 14:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

There are also a lot of weasel words. "It is claimed"... etc.

Frozen video
I can't seem to find any information on why the video shows a still frame for most of the length. It's very strange to me. Shouldn't that sort of thing be addressed on the wiki page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.247.229.173 (talk) 08:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Full video
Where can the full video be viewed as the link in the aritcle doesn't appear to work. Robert C Prenic 15:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Transcripts
Where are transcripts of this video? I know ABC did one but where is the initial article for that that then links to the transcript? Any other transcripts? Robert C Prenic 15:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

WhatReallyHappened.com proves this a fake
WhatReallyHappened.com proves this new "Osama bin Laden" video to be a fake: this "bin Laden"'s face is not the same shape as the historical bin Laden's face (the nose is too broad, the eyebrow ridges are wrong). It is also claimed that Wahhabis are forbidden to dye their beards, so the real ObL is prohibited from having done so, unless he has converted. The real ObL's left arm, it is also said, was severely injured at Tora Bora, but this ObL's left hand and arm are apparently just fine.See http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_newfake.html

This looks like just another case of disinformation and deception, by whom and for what purpose one may speculate. But Wikipedia should have a section of criticism in this article pointing out the discrepancies between the various incarnations of "Osama bin Laden" as he morphs between his various video releases. Osama is as big a name as Elvis now; I guess we can expect that he will inspire as many impersonators. Writtenright 01:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Writtenright
 * Let's wait till some of the major media pick this up and begin airing skepticism. Bkkeim2000 06:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Writtenright, please provide a link to the article on the PrisonPlanet.com website, I have just looked at this website and cannot find the story you mention. 194.83.140.28 12:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry. PrisonPlanet just had a link to WhatReallyHappened. I should have provided this link (see above) to WhatReallyHappened. But why should we wait "till some of the major media pick this up"? There are all sorts of things in Wikipedia that aren't in most of the main stream media -- that's why people turn to it for more comprehensive information than they can get in the main stream media. I have yet to see a story on the "Bus Uncle Video" of Hong Kong (for example) or on renewable energy in Scotland (for another example) in the main stream media -- but perhaps I just don't watch enough television. Writtenright 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Writtenright
 * By the way, the MSM are beginning to air skepticism about details of this video. ABC News has on its website: "'It does look oddly like he is wearing a false beard,' Richard Clarke, a former White House counterterrorism official and now ABC News consultant, said. 'If we go back to the tape three years, he had a very white beard. This looks like a phony beard that has been passed [sic] on.'" See http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/new-videotape-f.html Writtenright 16:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Writtenright
 * I don't think the comparison can be considered a credible source. It sounds an awful lot like the same theory another guy cooked up when comparing Lee Harvey Oswald pictures before and after he went to the Soviet Union, and after they exhumed the body that all turned out to be bunk. The most obvious explanation for the differences is the fact that Bin Laden is probably just packing in the Samosas. People gain weight all the time. This can easily fit under a number of criteria for What Wikipedia is not. --Fang Teng 05:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

the video from the grave
Israel, Germany, Pakistan, and who several others (sorry, but I'm spouting the list of countries off the top of my head) waaay back in 2001 or 2002 claimed that OBL is dead...and I believe it. Someone who likes to make videotaped statements every six months or so is not going to "lay low" and not produce a fully-credible video for something like five or six years. I'd like to know who is really doing the "testing" (or faking, ahem) of the video(s); perhaps the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans? Pleaze...I guess having OBL spout propaganda every time something occurs (i.e. the 2004 presidential elections) makes Cheney et al think that American voters will get all riled up.

Perhaps one day someone will come across his pile of bones in a cave (that was "sealed" by a B-52) in Afghanistan... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.40.157 (talk) 03:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

This article could probably benefit from some hindsight discussion at this point. Now, the above user could very well assume that Osama Bin Laden really was killed in 2001/2002 and the claims of his assassination last year were just a coverup, but otherwise it seems reasonable to conclude that this video had a pretty good chance of being authentic. 12.50.120.194 (talk) 03:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Michael Scheuer book mentioned?
Which of Michael Scheuer's books is bin Laden talking about? An interview with Scheuer on this video tape and the mentioning of one of his books can be watched here: Part 1, Part 2 Robert C Prenic 11:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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