Talk:Serbian Canadians/Archive 1

BLP issue
Per WP:BLP, if you want to make a claim about a living person, you need to cite a reliable source, here. Also in most cases, even the biography article itself does not cite a reliable source saying the person is of Serbian ancestry. In addition to removing the names here, it will become necessary to remove categories and claims from a number of individual biographies, that haven't been sourced. --Rob (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

"Survey"
I removed the bit that said "A survey in the documentary showed that Serbs are the best educated ethnic groups in Toronto" because there was no indication that a scientific survey was conducted. Besides, the video is in Serbian so most Wikipedia readers wouldn't even understand what they were watching. ... disco spinster   talk  00:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Canada 2006 Census
These are the results of Canada 2006 Census.


 * Total population by ethnic origin - 20% sample data
 * Serbian - 72,690
 * Total population by mother tongue - 20% sample data
 * Serbian - 51,670
 * Total population by language spoken most often at home - 20% sample data
 * Serbian - 34,775

The 99,690 figure must be wrong since the link is broken anyway. Buttons (talk) 09:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Boris Malagurski
Can we get you 2 to talk about whats going on with the entry for Boris Malagurski. Looks sourced to me..so whats going on guys?Moxy (talk) 18:20, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what's going on, User:Bobrayner just appeared and started deleting content from the article. Boris Malagurski is Serbian Canadian, he has an article on Wikipedia, and I'm not sure why the editor has a problem with Malagurski being listed in this article, considering that the sentence in question is sourced, and there are plenty of other sources in the Malagurski article showing that he's Serbian Canadian. I'd also like to ask - what's going on? Regards, --UrbanVillager (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you 2 been involved in a dispute in the past before? Both of you seem to have a problem with each-other...one calling edits spam the other vandalism. Is there a past history with you 2?Moxy (talk) 18:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Removal of sourced content is unacceptable without a concensus on this talk page. User:Bobrayner should come to discuss their edits. 23 editor (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Is Malagurki a Canadian citizen ? I thought not and in the opening sentence it says that is the definition of a Can-Serb. Also the photo of him looks suspiciously like one removed from another page because it infringed copyright.Pincrete (talk) 17:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC) … … Apologies, I'm wrong about the photo, but still question his Canadian citizenshipPincrete (talk) 17:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC) … … The only references I can find to Malagurski being Canadian, are his own website and a self-referring cycle of derivative sources and Wikipedia articles.Pincrete (talk) 17:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there still no evidence that he's a Canadian citizen? I only came here whilst trying to clean up a broader problem (UrbanVillager's only edits are about Malagurski films, ensuring that enwiki says lots of positive stuff about them, and UrbanVillager seems to know all the details long before they're released). My most recent edit left Malagurski in the list, just removing the spammier bits of text; but if there isn't even evidence that Malagurski meets the remit of this list, he should be removed altogether. bobrayner (talk) 23:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The definition of a Serbian-Canadian on the page has changed to citizen OR permanent resident. Since 'hybrid' definitions (Anglo-American etc.) are partly SELF-definition, I think this change makes sense. HOWEVER Malagurski doesn't seem to meet this new definition either, there is no evidence that he IS either a citizen OR permanent resident, in fact since he's been a TV host for several years in Serbia - the implication is that he isn't anything more than an occasional visitor.


 * Almost more important is, why is he notable ? A quick DuckDuckGo search revealed many more 'User initiated' results (Facebook, Twitter, his own sites etc.) than any third party comment.Pincrete (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Pincrete, do you personally know Malagurski? Do you have issues with him? Because I didn't see you inquiring about all the others listed in this article to get them to somehow show you their Canadian citizenship card or passport. Do you expect people to scan them and show them to you so that you can have "evidence". There are lots of reliable sources that describe Malagurski as Serbian-Canadian (even on a Serbian government website ) and inform us that he lived in Canada for 6 years, so he's at least a permanent resident, though he's never been described as such, but rather a Canadian citizen. Secondly, the fact that there are lots of user-initiated results doesn't undermine the fact that he is notable. After all, his film 'The Weight of Chains' was recently shown to over 644 million viewers over Russia Today, and another 25 million over Eurochannel. If that's not notable for you, perhaps you can wait for another half a billion people to watch his work. --UrbanVillager (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't ask about the others because - apart from Mrs Mulroney - I know nothing about them, but I DO hope other editors are asking questions. There are 15 photographs, am I not entitled to ask whether BM is among the 15 MOST notable SCs? … BTW, is was me that was partly responsible for changing the definition to include permanent residents, and naturalised citizens, it originally said 'born in Canada'. I have only an occasional involvement with this article, but between us we have given the permanent editors more info with which to make their assessments. Pincrete (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Non Serbian Canadians
I removed these three. Tesla was not a Serbian Canadian, I can find no reference as to Mihajlo Pupin being Serbian Canadian, and Milutin Milanković's article says he was born in Dalj, Austria-Hungary and died Belgrade, FPR Yugoslavia. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Removing politics section
I've removed the politics section from this article. The entire section is unsourced and much of it reads like an essay. For instance: "Such was the case of Nicholas Ribic, who made a conscientious decision, but got caught in the maelstorm of war and uncertainty, trying to make sense of the chaos that surrounded him in the land of his forebears, and the country of his birth." This is original research. An encyclopedia article cannot draw unsourced conclusions about a person's motivations. We can summarize what that person did, and we can summarize an analysis of their motivations from reliable secondary sources. Similarly, this section does not maintain a neutral point of view. This is a sympathetic portrait of the Ribic and Trifković cases that doesn't address why these people were considered to be controversial. I would also like to see citations from reliable secondary sources that explain why these topics are important enough to be covered in a survey article of Serbian Canadians. GabrielF (talk) 17:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This whole article should be deleted or redone.Moxy (talk) 18:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Having recently added Template:Editorial to the article, I agree. Probably half the article text would need to be deleted just to strip it of this problem alone. djr13 (talk) 23:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Lets move forward with mass trimming of this bloated puffery filed article - I have tried to talk to the IP editor about adding refs to no avail. So what should we do the article is full a people that dont have articles here because of notability. I say mass deletion and simple addition of facts.--Moxy (talk) 05:03, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Population estimates
An estimated population figure is repeatedly being re-inserted,, apart from any question of the reliability of this estimate, there is no indication in the source as to HOW the figure was arrived at. At least the 'official' figure makes it clear that these are households/citizens who identify themselves as of Serbian descent. What on earth is the statistical basis for an estimate 3 times larger than the official figure ? Pincrete (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * politika.sr is an unreliable source, and Lackope has already received a message about it --ChumleeS (talk) 12:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed, regardless of the 'RS' issue, to include an estimate with no indication of who/how made the estimate, is, at best, meaningless. The issue of how 'self-identification' MAY be an under-estimate is already dealt with generously in the article. Pincrete (talk) 13:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

History + Politics
A number of substantial alterations have recently been made to 'History + Politics'. They are largely unreferenced, fairly problematic re:'neutrality' and in many cases ungrammatical and out of historical sequence.

I lack the competence to remedy them but hope some 'watchers' will take note and amend/remove as appropriate.Pincrete (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

In fact, having noticed the above 'removing politics', I see (as I thought), this is OR. I ntend to remove it but someone else might want to fix 'history'.Pincrete (talk) 16:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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