Talk:Serbian Empire

Incorrect map added by IP edit-warrior


I have removed this incorrect and outdated map older then 150 years. The description of this map on Wikimedia commons clearly states: Map from late XIX century, representing a view about boundaries of Serbian empire during Stefan Dušan, about 1350. (Modern historiography has a stance that borders of Serbian empire were somewhat different. For the view of modern historiography,please see this map  File:Map of the Serbian Empire, University of Belgrade, 1922.jpg, etc. Wikipedia is not a place for outdated and fringe views presented as leading theory. Jingiby (talk) 13:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Mauro Orbini's 'Kingdom of the Slavs' is considered a reliable source and it mentions the Serbian expansion into Bosnia. Norsx (talk) 11:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That sources is not always considered as reliable source. It has many dubious claims, and we have sources from 14th century that clearly show that Dusan never took anything to the east beyond Kavala. We also have no real proof that Bulgaria had any legal obligations to Serbia during Dusan's rule, as for Bosnia, Dusan never managed to take over Bosnia because he was attacked by Byzantines in the south in 1350. Serbian1331 (talk) 14:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * To borrow from Joy, who explained it in another TP discussion on Orbini: "Orbini lived 400 years ago and is documented to have advocated for various mythological positions. It's not a secondary source comparable to the works of numerous trained historians who've lived and died since." ౪ Santa ౪  99°  05:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

What about this map to the right below? Jingiby (talk) 10:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Skopje was already part of the Serbian Kingdom as it was conquered by king Uros II Milutin towards the end of the 13th century. Norsx (talk) 11:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Biggest problem with that map is that 1331 borders are very wrong, Serbs in 1331 already had Branicevo, Kucevo, Velbazd, Uzice, Rudnik, Skoplje. Nothern border of Byzantium was Strumitsa, Prilep, Ohrid, Kruje (there were still Byzantine controlled cities until 1333-4, Kruje was taken in period of 1337-43) Serbian1331 (talk) 14:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Picture of the armour is incorrect for the time
I would, if possible, swap out the image of serbian medieval armour for armour that better represents the armour they had at the time the empire was actually around and not something from 2 centuries later. 45.83.6.187 (talk) 15:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Capital of Serbian Empire
Can anyone provide an RS stating that the Serbian Empire had a capital city? I thought that the capital was wherever Stefan was. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Arbitrary reversion
@Theonewithreason was there an issue with the new map I uploaded? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serbian_Empire&oldid=1217093118 Cattette (talk) 03:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Based on a previous readings on this page, lots of maps were removed because they were violating Wikipedia copy rights, this old map that stands here has a free public domain, so other editors always reverted to that map. I am not sure about this new map you've posted, if it doesn't violate any wiki rules you can maybe post it below the old map and see what happens Theonewithreason (talk) 09:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I am the author of that new map and I released it under a CC license, so I don't think it stands to violate any wiki rules Cattette (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How about we also keep the old map somewhere ? Theonewithreason (talk) 20:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's incomprehensible for the majority of English speakers and is effectively just a big purple blob left up to interpretation. Even if it was legible I think a bit too detailed to be a infobox map. I'll attach the map in question in case anyone else is curious and wants to add their thoughts to the issue. Map of the Serbian Empire, University of Belgrade, 1922.jpg Cattette (talk) 05:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Biggest problem with your map is that 1331 borders are very wrong, Serbs in 1331 already had Branicevo,Kucevo, Velbazd, Uzice, Rudnik, Skoplje. Nothern border of Byzantium was Strumitsa, Prilep, Ohrid, Kruje (there were still Byzantine controlled cities until 1333-4) Serbian1331 (talk) 12:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)