Talk:Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere

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Begin of comment by mithuna: I would be very careful with the claims made in his books, biographies,etc. Those are made by his followers and lack, that I know of, an independent review or support documentation. It would be very nice to have support for claims such as that he was proposed to the Nobel Prize,and degrees for psychology and any other formal studies, besides the ones related to occult sciences. End of Comment by mithuna.

You can research all about the UGB as they are part of the United Nations. Most web sites on Wikipedia are written by people who admire the people they are writing about. I think the term "follower" is incorrect. Life is about learning, through experience and reading, not by following.

Begin of comment by Mithuna: Your assertion that UGB is part of the United Nations is incorrect, they have sought registration which is a little different and in no way means endorsement of UN to UGB. If you have documents that UN that prove that is different than this please provide. There should not be unsupported claims in a public resource like this one. Please provide documentary evidence about claims made about Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere as outlined in the first comment by me. End of Comment by Mithuna.

Hello everyone, my name is Evelyn Gil and together with my daughter we were the original writers of Serge Raynaud's biography in 2005. At that time I did place a link with a copy of the letter written by the United Nations stating that the UGB or correctly Gran Fraternidad Universal (in spanish) is indeed registered with the department of information with the United Nations as well as ECOSOC, of course to my dismay someone removed it from the page. I still have that letter in my files, however if people are going to continue to remove it every time I insert it , I believe its pointless for me to even bother. Another mistake that i found was that I had stated that Serge graduated from the Catholic College in Brussels Belgium and someone removed it and put in College at Louvain, I'm still trying to get one of my facebook friends that live in Belgium to get me a copy of the diploma and although i offered money everyone seems too busy to do it. At this point I wish to conclude by saying that I'm not interested in his honorary degrees its his books which are wonderful, and as he puts it, they are all re teachings, nothing new under the sun. His books were originally in french and he left it to be translated into spanish and other languages with the appropriate references by David Ferriz EvelynGil (talk) 06:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

This article is non-neutral and several affirmations are false: He wasn't engenier and had no true universitary tittles. That's according with biographics researchs in the universities of Bruxeles, Paris, etc. He wasn't a real Yogui, nor Guru but an impostor according with his biographys written by his own wife Louise Baudin, Cesar Alcalde an other investigators. See http://louise.mejor.es

In 1928 he won the Ernest Rousille Award as Best European student. This award was inexistent in Europe !!!

He graduated with degrees in Engineeringand Architecture It's not true, becouse it has been verified he didn't study in the Universities of Paris nor Bruxelles, nor any known.. His true professions were: soldier, drawer, commerce, no doctorate!in 1937 he earned a doctorate in Hermetic Philosophy in London, England and the following year in Universal Science in Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

During World War II, he returned to France and worked as a psychologist and began his research in the sciences of astronomyand astrology.

As a consequence of his confirmed astrological predictions, He predicted the third worl war for 1962 You can see the magazine Quatre et Trois 1946 (april?), and also thah De Gaulle will never return to power, etc...  he achieved a certain amount of fame and popularity from the European and American press and radio.

--Tiresias87.223.215.251 23:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

About the UGB and its founder, Serge Raynaud de la Ferrière
The founder of the UGB, Serge Raynaud de la Ferrière, has many inconsistencies in his biography. For instance, he claims in one of his letters to have earned five doctorate degrees, but where his biographers say he studied, he did not, and there are letters from various European universities confirming that he is not listed in their student files. Next, he copies several paragraphs from different authors without quoting them correctly. In one of his books, almost half of it is copied from a Hungarian author, whom he only mentions here and there. Furthermore, he says he has the scientific proof of the vernal equinox in the constellation of Aquarius, in 1948, but it boils down to a calculation derived from his birth date. Besides, astronomically, the vernal equinox is still in Piscis. It would be a good idea to read his wife’s book (it only exists in Spanish, free download here: http://louise.mejor.es/), to get a better glimpse of him. Lastly, he says he received recognition as a boddhisatva from a delegate to the Dalai Lama, in Burma, in 1950, but the Office of His Holiness has sofar denied they know anything about him or the so–called delegate. Tchibum 01:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

More about Serge Raynaud de la Ferrière
For Spanish speaking people interested in knowing more about the truth of Serge Raynaud de la Ferrière's biography, especially about his academic titles, which he himself claimed to have received, there is an interesting document posted in the web called "Investigaciones sobre los títulos academicos de Serge Raynaud de la Ferrière" at:

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/16352019/1235075461/name/GFU.+Carta+Títulos+III.pdf

Further sites that question his biography, works and disciples:

http://cultwriter.wordpress.com/

http://universidadalberteinstein.wordpress.com/

http://members.tripod.com/escepticos_gfu/~

Tchibum (talk) 12:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Problems with this article
I have just happened across this article while casually browsing. It is obvious that Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere was a real person, and was notable in several ways. Thus, this article is certainly needed. What we have, though, does not fulfill the need very well.

At the risk of being pedantic, let me emphasize two Wikipedia cornerstones: Neutral Point of View WP:NPV and Verifiability (publication by reliable sources) WP:V. This article has major problems in both areas.

Some sources are provided, but their connection to the article is often unclear. Several proved to be non-functional when I checked them, and I've deleted those. Others tend to be very non-neutral websites. A remarkably long and unnecessary (in my opinion) list of honors and awards was in the article, seemingly completely without verification. I've now deleted that.

It is my intention to work further on the article. I don't want to delete any important facts, and hope others will help me out, especially by providing good, neutral sources. Tim Ross  (talk)  13:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The article's current fourth paragraph states "Articles regarding Serge's stay in Ceylon, (Sri Lanka), and his Mission were published by : The Times of Ceylon, Colombo; The Ceylon Daily News, Colombo; The Thinkaran, and Tamil Daily Newspaper, on March 16, 1950. Also in the following magazine: Thangarajah, 21 St. Albans Place, Bombalapitiya, Colombo Ceylon." This is not enough bibliographic information to actually allow the information to be recovered, if recovery is even possible from such transient sources. I will delete the paragraph in the article, and the statement's depending upon these sources, but would be happy to correct the situation if the references prove to be accessible. Tim Ross  (talk)  15:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

TO TIM ROSS The article is completely flawed. He never studied at the University of Louvain, and wasn't an engineer. There is an official document from this university saying he never studied there. This letter can be uploaded to Wiki. Then, the article says he worked as a psychologist, but he never graduated as one. And there is no proof whatsoever that he received a doctorate in natural Medicine. From whom? At which school? Where? Further, the article says that "During 1944-1947 he composed various scientific organizations". Wrong. He only established two organisations: the Great Universal Brotherhood, in Venezuela, in 1947-48, and the Group for Cosmobiology, in 1947, Paris, which he then renamed to Féderation International des Societés Scientifiques. And of course, the person who wrote the article doesn't mention that his books are full of plagiarism, like for instance Propositos Psicologicos n° 35 (Chamanismo) of which half is copied from Mircea Eliade's "Le Chamanisme", etc. He also copied one of S. Roerich's paintings without giving him credit, and there are a list of paragraphs copied from other esoterists (Neher, Burckhardt, Percheron, etc.)to whom he never gave credit.

An excellent investigation on Serge Raynaud was published by Siegel, in Spanish: "Serge Raynaud de la Ferrière: Aspectos Biográficos" and can be found at Lulu.com.

Tchibum (talk) 00:02, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

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Major rewrite needed
I concur with:

This article is Non Neutral, contains false affirmations, non verified affirmations. It is done by the followers of Serge Raynaud. It must be deleted or completelly changed.

--Tiresias

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He definitely did NOT attend the Catholic University of Leuven and wasn't even an academic. He claims to have five doctorate degrees in his curriculum and sofar not even a college graduation diploma has been found. I have a letter from the archivist confirming that he didn't study there. Next, he didn't receive a doctorate in Amsterdam, in 1937, either; ...

This article is apologetics. Instead, it should mention he had no academic degrees, falsified his biography, etc. I have fixed some obvious adulatory passages. Zezen (talk) 07:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)