Talk:Sergei Pankejeff

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Maria Torok and Nicolas Abraham have also reinterpreted the Wolf Man's case (in The wolf man’s magic word, a cryptonymy), presenting their notion of "the crypt" and what they call “cryptonyms." They provide a different analysis of the case than Freud, whose conclusions they criticise. According to the authors, The Pankejeff's statements hide other statements, while the actual content of his words can be illuminated by looking into his multi-lingual background. According to the authors, the Pankejeff hid secrets concerning his older sister, and as the Wolf Man both wanted to forget and preserve these issues, he encrypted his older sister, as an idealised "other" in the heart of himself, and spoke these secrets out loud in a cryptic manner, through words hiding behind words, rebuses, wordplays etc. For example, in the Wolf Man's dream, where six or seven wolves were sitting in a tree outside his bedroom window, the expression "pack of six", a "sixter" = shiestorka: siestorka = sister, which gives the conclusion that his sister is placed in the centre of the trauma. The case forms a central part of the second chapter of Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari's A Thousand Plateaus, titled "One or Several Wolves?" In it, they repeat the accusation made in Anti-Oedipus that Freudian analysis is unduly reductive and that the unconscious is actually a "machinic assemblage". They argue that wolves are a case of the pack or multiplicity and that the dream was part of a schizoid experience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.133.69.35 (talk) 14:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * All Wikipedia articles on Freud include half-baked criticisms by neurotics and mediocrities. The big mistake in this article is that it failed to mention that Pankjeff's wife committed suicide during the holocaust. Neither she nor her husband were Jewish, but she became morbidly fascinated by the news reports of Jewish suicides in Germany, so one day she left Sergei a note detailing everything he would need to tend to the household, then she turned on the gas.  THAT was when he went crazy. It had nothing to do with any failure in Freud's treatment.  In fact, he snapped out of it and, in spite of his aristocratic upbringing followed by the loss of the family fortune, managed to live the rest of his life alone working for a living.  He had to have more inner strength than I can imagine in myself. It was all the more remarkable because when Freud first met him he was suffering from such severe nervous exhaustion that he needed servants to dress him every morning. Snud (talk) 08:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

A note on transliteration
Pankejeff is a very imperfect/archaic transliteration of Панкеев, IMO, but it is the one which Pankejeff used for himself and the one which Freud used in his notes (it is more of a German transliteration than an English one), so I think it should be used as the primary transliteration of the last name, only because it is what people are going to be searching for if they are looking for his name... just a thought. --Fastfission 15:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree, but then again, in the quotes that are extensively used towards the end of the article, it is written "Pankeev", so perhaps it should just be standardized throughout the article? Then again, my edition of Freud uses "Pankeieff", so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baligant (talk • contribs) 16:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Date of Birth Confusion.
Hey, wait! In the begining of this article it clearly states that he was born 12/24/1886, but on the bottom of the page, it states that he was born in 1887. ...?!?! --Emevas September 13 2006 3:52 PM
 * I originally had 1887 (which I must have gotten from one of the million sources about him which have skethcy information) but was able to track down a more precise birthdate (end of 1886) at one point. I apparently didn't remember to update the category. It is fixed now. --Fastfission 20:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * December 24, 1886 is according to the Julian calendar used in Russia at the time. His birthday is January 6, 1887 in the Georgian calendar.--128.101.255.131 (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt they owned a city
Hmmm... this is a strange sentence:

"The Pankejeff family (note: this is Freud's German transliteration from the Russian; in English it would today be transliterated as Pankeyev) owned large St. Petersburg."

I suspect there's an error here, as the sentence seems to state that the family owned the entire city of St. Petersberg. Could someone please correct this? I'm not sure if it was meant to say "a large estate in St. Petersburg," "a large business...," "a large section..." zadignose (talk) 18:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Pankjeff's retraction
I have to wonder about the usefulness of including a section disputing Freud's analysis from Karin Obholzer's interview with Pankjeff when he was in his 90's. Supposedly Pankjeff told her that the primal scene interpretation was far-fetched because little kids in Russia slept in different rooms from their parents! Am I the only one who thinks Obholzer was giving the decrepit Pankjeff leading questions? I do believe that it is a universal practice among all cultures to keep newborns close by all through the night for the first few months of life. Snud (talk) 07:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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