Talk:Sergey Lavrov

Incorrect information about Budapest Memorandum
In last sentence of 2.2 is information about signature under Budapest Memorandum. This memorandum (see content of [11]) was signed by presidents Kuchma, Yeltsin, Clinton and PM Major. There is no reason for signing of Lavrov (Yeltsin's deputy in UN). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ike231 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What is reference 11?
 * Wasn't Lavrov the plenipotentiary at the UN? Isn't that a far stretch from "deputy"?
 * Was the signing ceremony at Budapest? Are there photographs of Kuchma, Yeltsin, Clinton and Major?
 * For these reasons the disputed content needs to stay in. Armduino (talk) 09:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * For these reasons the disputed content needs to stay in. Armduino (talk) 09:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeltsin signed the memorandum for Russia. You can see this in the full text available at the Budapest Memorandum page. I see no need to include false information in the article.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 10:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

The entry was changed to say that he forwarded the memorandum to the UN citing primary sources. It would need secondary sources to show notability.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 10:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, I changed the verb from "signed" to "transmitted" because that is what he did. The previous text was a factual inaccuracy which needed to be rectified. His actions are all there in black and white. Now you change your tune to "secondary sources" and revert before anyone can search for the secondary sources which you claim are necessary. On what basis is your claim made? Armduino (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Armduino there was a false claim in the article that he signed the memorandum which I tried to remove. You reverted my edit with rather incoherent claims. Now you apparently agree that he didn't sign the memorandum. Why do you think that it is important that he "transmitted" this particular memorandum? Presumably in 10 years work he transmitted thousands of documents. To be included in the article his act would need to have been recognised as important by reliable sources. Please remove the text that you added to the article UNTILL you have such sources.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 10:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you gave no evidence for the claim that he didn't sign the document. I researched the affair and found that he transmitted the document. The text was changed to read "transmitted". Others thought it worthwhile to mention before I arrived. I know little about the structure of the UN and am therefore not in a position to comment on the number of documents transmitted by Lavrov. The number of disarmament treaties is very limited and for this reason alone the subject is notable. The fact that the event occurred in 1994, more than 25 years ago before the internet even existed, makes your request problematic. How is the UN not a reliable source? Armduino (talk) 10:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What is this place?
 * I have a project where I add information about a russian person.
 * I got lavrov, your website helped me alot.
 * This guy was also in the United Nation? 24.237.159.217 (talk) 04:57, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I told you to check the full text on the Budapest Memorandum page. It clearly says he didn't sign it. There is a difference between primary and secondary sources. Whoever added the information in the first place added wrong information. I should have thought it self evident that transmitting a document is not important. Please provide some reliable secondary sources that mention Lavrov transmitting the document if you want that information to remain in the article.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 11:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Read this please. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources_and_undue_weight#:~:text=To%20give%20undue%20weight%20to,or%20among%20the%20concerned%20parties.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 11:51, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Armduino I have checked the reference you gave. I was shocked to find it was a link to a letter signed by representatives of the US, UK, Ukraine and Lavrov for Russia that did not say that Lavrov had transmitted the memorandum. Please don't make things up and add them to Wikipedia with fake references.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 13:51, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you misunderstand me. I did check the full text on the Budapest Memorandum page. In fact, that's where I copied the "transmitted" verb from. I'm glad you agree that "Whoever added the information in the first place added wrong information." which is the reason for my "transmitted" change. Now that we have an agreed document we should be able to agree on a text. I don't think you can sustain any of the final sentence in your comment and would ask that you apologize for it. A little sang-froid from you would be welcome. Armduino (talk) 15:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Armduino I can't understand if you are being deliberately obtuse, or if you really don't understand. You are not supposed to copy wrong information from one wikipedia page to annother. Please explain, with sources that agree with you, why your claim that Lavrov transmitted a document to the UN is important enough for this article. There were 4 people who took responsibility for that action. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 17:08, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * please don't use insult as it only serves to make you the fool. You seem to suffer from an incomprehension of what constitutes a secondary source. Your point has now had more than a fortnight to attract supporters. It has attracted nobody. This forum works on consensus. If your point receives no support that means failure. You would be wise not to revert. Armduino (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Please provide secondary sources. Nobody has expressed any support for you either. Please stop exaggerating the importance of a simple bureaucratic action that is not mentioned in secondary sources.  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 10:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Edited to improve NPOV
As per my previous comment I made some changes to the article to make it less biased towards the conventional Western view. Rather than deleting the section of the article I mention below I indicated that Chatham House is a pro-Western think tank and left the rest of the article it as is. I also reworded part of the Ukraine conflict section. Whoever wrote it originally used a Guardian piece that focuses on Lavrov accusing the United States of interfering and aggravating the conflict as a source but worded it so it read like the gist of the piece was Russia being accused of sponsoring the separatist rebels.User2346 (talk) 01:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Neutrality
It seems that the page has been extensively filled with citations, is there any dispute to the neutrality of this article?

TheBlïtzThing (talk) 07:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * John Negroponte on Lavrov: "If he has a moral compass, my Geiger counter hasn’t clicked into it." That's rich coming from Negroponte lahope (talk) 18:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

serbian award
lavrov was recently given order of the serbian flag first degree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.181.81.171 (talk) 12:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Source on "Russian-Armenian"?
He is introduced as "Russian Armenian" and his name is transliterated to Armenian in the intro. Yet, the article states that he was born in Moscow to Armenian and Georgian parents, and that's it - no other indication of Armenianness (or Georgianness, for that matter) is given. The article never indicates he worked with the Armenian government. It gives no reason to treat his father's ancestry as more important than his mother's.

Why does the article give so much important to his Armenian side, other than his religion? --Golbez (talk) 13:04, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * According to the website of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov is an ethnic Russian:  Grand  master  19:16, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

“I have Armenian blood in my veins.” is a quote from mr lavrov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.49.6.225 (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * and again, -GU diplomacy.( Under the leadership of GU General.)

This is funny. In this context. Интерес представляет книга полковника ГУ/ ГРУ. Diploma! ( Rezun / “ Suvorov”.Rezun - from the word cut.) ::Former GU/GRU - Diploma. Describes. :::History of the GU/GRU - diplomacy. He. Personally.


 * A cumulative grenade launcher. Possibly, ammunition. Hide in the forest. I'm Canton Vallis.

For a psychological person. ECO- Terrorist, Nation Swiss. Apparently without the involvement of the G U/GRU "soldiers" for the Hiroïn or the contract officers. Organized a terrorist attack. Against. Nuclear power plant. In Canton Vallis, Switzerland. (see "Aquarium", "Suvorov",  $500 per 1 copy). ) Interesting too. You can see it. A video clip. To the 60th anniversary of the GU/GRU. I'm a video clip. On YOUTUBE.COM... Absolutely right! Cases have become more frequent. Criminal, criminogenic, idiotic behavior. From the outside. Russian Diplomats. Of course  ! It causes . Feelings . Confusion, self-doubt, fear, nightmares, depression, depression, etc. But . How and why? Free users.
 * Free Wikipedia users.

Would you like to be with your chest? Or, with his ass? To defend the... In English. This topic...
 * (Should at least give a smile.) :)91.183.159.198 (talk) 11:14, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Who are you to f***ing lecture me ?
Question Lavrov asked British foreign minister Milliband. Belongs to the Article I think. There are reliable sources for that: google is your friend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheepdog85 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

http://www.1tv.ru/video_archive/projects/nightshow/p53369 news + http://www.bfm.ru/news/300264 text, original

— Вы когда-нибудь матерились в присутствии людей, которые по-русски не понимают?

— Многократно.

- Have you ever foul language in the presence of people who are in Russian do not understand?

- is repeatedly. 79.104.200.82 (talk) 13:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC) ±mutherfuk
 * Is British foreign minister Milliband still alive? And healthy? Did not have ? Nausea? Vomiting? Diarrhea? Is the choline erase normal? ...
 * Yes indeed . Strange imbalance and irritability. For a diplomat. With a capital letter!

Something similar to the sacramental phrase from the movie:
 * "You are testing my patience!" (Duuu, strapazierst mein Geduld.)
 * Why? Because of which ?
 * I suggest. Improve. Move topic to fifth place.
 * (meaning: "I give you five")SdsuresNr.2 (talk) 12:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

On the success of Russian diplomacy led by minister Sergey Lavrov.
On the success of Russian diplomacy led by SL It should be clearly stated in the article that the 9 years of the wise leadership of the Ministry / Department and the Federal Security Service of the Ministry of /, and that's already a rage and hatred begins to obscure to some of our foreign colleagues the Minister of the eye. First of all to Russian. Most immeno Russian nation is still associated with foreigners with the Russian Federation, not the Jews, chyukchi and other nazionalnosti Russia. This undeniable success of Russian diplomacy, with the benefit is used in the above privacy and akin in spirit to the Minister, the press attaché in Brussels. He dostatochno leash hint - any of the local Russian can...DeHoopAntoin22 (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I am sorry but your writing in incomprehensible. 193.235.215.103 (talk) 13:59, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 23:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Sergey Lavrov → Sergei Lavrov – WP:COMMONNAME --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 00:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)   Ե րևանցի  talk  22:51, 23 January 2014 (UTC) Google Books: Also, RIA Novosti ; Bloomberg News ; The Moscow Times ; BBC and many other news agencies/newspapers use "Sergei". -- Ե րևանցի talk  22:51, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * "Sergei Lavrov" - 6,220 results
 * "Sergey Lavrov" - 3,270 results
 * Oppose - His common name "Sergei" in Russian dialect, it's undeniable, but Sergey is accepted in English. See: Official page of Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, The Telegraph, U.S. Department of State, United Nations, European Union, UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of armenia...etc. Maurice07 (talk) 12:54, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In what Russian dialect? The sources clearly use "Sergei" more often than "Sergey". Sergei Rachmaninoff is another example. -- Ե րևանցի talk  17:35, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * There are many examples of named "Sergey" : Sergey Kiriyenko, Sergey Mavrin, Sergey Naryshkin, Sergey Bakulin, Sergey Kapitsa, Sergey Shoygu, Sergey Glazyev, Sergey Alexandrovich Markov and hundreds. Maurice07 (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And this person's first name is spelled "Sergei" more frequently (almost twice as often according to Google Books). -- Ե րևանցի talk  20:01, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs source is definitive, unless there is some specific Wikipedia policy on this. - Crosbie 19:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * There is: WP:COMMONNAME. Not official sources. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - WikiProject Russia members inputted on WP:RUSSIANNAMES even though the draft guideline has not been through a formal RfC, it does reflect active editor consensus there. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Neutral I read lots of international news from all over the world and an over whelming amount of English language media uses 'Sergei Lavrov', however International Organisations use 'Sergey Lavrov', also the official Twitter account of the Russian MFA (in English) uses 'Sergey Lavrov'. Because of this, I cannot take sides in the RM but only offer some enlightenment perhaps. IJA (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a really good point. Thanks for your comment. -- Ե րևանցի talk  00:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

New picture
The new picture gives us a lot less Lavrov and a lot more door and wall. We should revert to the old picture. - Crosbie 18:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "Sad" Russia diplomat's.
 * This is 1.
 * And secondly.



BLP violations
Outside of some form of nationalist agendas, Lavrov's parentage isn't of consequence to this article. Having checked various references, none indicate any form of verifiable knowledge of that aspect of his background.

As this is a WP:BLP, I suggest that all of the content dealing with his parent's ethnicity should be removed unless reliable sources can be found to substantiate assertions as to his having a mixed background. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC) regular retouching Wikipedia - Pages (these limits with a vandalism) in favor of the political Image Her Sergey Lavrov  CoRatte (talk) 10:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Train story
and I have now reverted edits by 2601:140:1:C8E3:F463:196:D537:1C9A a few times on WP:RS grounds and opposition to the use of YouTube as a source. IP user, it's not just about what's true; we rely on reliable, secondary sources to guide us on what content is relevant and what is trivial. If this story is important enough to include in an encyclopedia article, surely some secondary sources will have discussed it. You have supplied a secondary source in this TASS article, but it does not appear to cover the story mentioned in your edits. Please let me know if this is just a case of Google translate making major errors. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

First paragraph
Suggest to change 'diplomat and politician' to 'war criminal' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irene sioma (talk • contribs) 09:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * War criminal would usually first require a conviction at an international tribunal. Solipsism 101 (talk) 17:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

US vs U.S.
Both are used in the article. Also UK and U.K. Please choose one form and stick with it. 87.75.117.183 (talk) 10:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

War Crimes 2022
A bit early but it is becoming evident that Lavrov is or maybe an integral part of the War in Ukraine, miss-information and murder of hundreds/thousands of Ukrainian people. Is he a victim of Putin's Russia or an integral part of the corruption. HuttonIT (talk) 14:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC) serge lavrov you bastard, don't think for a moment that you will escape the war crimes tribunal for your complicity, support and promotion of Putin's brutal war of terror. You will all be hunted down like the dogs that you are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konemba (talk • contribs) 05:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Lavrov is Putin's lap dog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.45.141 (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

New category:People stripped of honorary degrees
As per Sergey Lavrov, Lavrov now qualifies for Category:People stripped of honorary degrees. This or similar may be true also of other Russian dignitaries these days. 151.177.58.208 (talk) 14:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Has been added. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 15:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Last name at birth
Was his last name at birth not Kalantaryan? 2600:1700:72EA:4400:1D9C:89EC:5CCA:F4B2 (talk) 16:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Lavrov image discussed at Talk:Second Cold War
An image of Russian foreign ministry secretary Sergey Lavrov is discussed at Talk:Second Cold War. --George Ho (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Criticism section?
Don't get me wrong the guy does seem like a dick, but it's a bit strange to put that in a Wikipedia article. This section is just a short paragraph about people saying he acts like an asshole. Not very encyclopedic.. I'm sure there are far more innocent politicians who also have reliable sources describing them being called worse but we don't include that stuff for a reason. Prinsgezinde (talk) 02:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ Moved the subsection about the Norwegians rescinding the honoris causa to the Sanctions section. Should avoid any further messes like the edit war that you can see in the revision history to this talk page. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 07:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

latest quotes
recent statements saying the US and allies have the goal of solving the Russian Question, parallels the Jewish Question from world war 2. seems this is a verified statement from him. pretty significant if so. hope we can add a reference to it here. (mercurywoodrose) 50.193.19.66 (talk) 20:43, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

'longest serving since Tsarist times'?
Lavrov has been foreign minister of Russia for about twenty years. This is not longer than Andrei Gromyko, foreign minister of the USSR for about 28 years (1957-1985). So, he's not the longest serving since Tsarist times, is he? (as it says at the top of the article) Unless we're ignoring the Soviet Union, which would be absurd if we're making historical comparisons... Tuliodawidserafeimcabral (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)