Talk:Setback (card game)

Improving the article?
I think I'm going to improve this article. Maybe a variations section can be included? I don't really recognize some of these rules, especially Jick. I've never heard of or seen Jick played in a Setback match. EarlCampbell20 06:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Me neither. I also have a problem with this article being the same, almost, as the Pitch article. I have always used the two names interchangeably, and so I don't see a difference between the two except for the possibility of the rule variations, which there are always. Every time I'm with a different crowd, I make sure I know the rules that we're playing by. I personally learned to play with a deal of 8 cards, discard and redraw to make 8 again (or 6, I don't remember which). There were 5 points to be won: high, low, jack, game, and smudge (getting all of the tricks). I don't think I saw this variation here. Which leads me to believe that there's no set way to play the game. So maybe this should be written in the article. └ Jared ┘┌ t ┐&ensp; 00:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the Setback item is pretty good. Most card games evolve into many variations and any one version is unlikely to be the exact version that one plays or played. For instance we played the 7 point High, Low, Jack, Off-Jack (Jick), Joker, Off-Joker and Game version. You could bid up to 6 or shoot the moon and have to make all 7 points or go set (I forget how large this penalty set was, much more than 7 points as I remember). Also, someone who hated to get set I guess, came up with a Pick the Deck rule where the high bidder could, after the discards were replaced, go through the remaining cards and take any trumps that were left! At least this way all the points were always out. ^^^^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bremo (talk • contribs).

Setback vs. Pitch
I've seen references to Setback vs. Pitch on the Setback page, the Pitch page, and the Pitch talk page. Either the games are exactly the same and the pages need to be merged, or they are very similar but distinctly different (as the rules laid out on each page show), in which case the opening sentence of each needs to be changed. Thoughts? I'll do the latter if no one objects.--Qfl247 (talk) 13:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * All references that I have found say they are exactly the same game. (This includes the card game researchers David Parlett and John McLeod.) However, there are so many variants of this game that it is no wonder independent articles on it describe it differently. By the way, there is also Auction Pitch, which is yet another content fork. I have now merged this article into Pitch (card game), and will also merge Auction Pitch. Pitch (card game) is the oldest and most complete of the three. It's not going to be much improved by the merger, but it needs a thorough cleanup anyway. Hans Adler 13:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)