Talk:Sethianism

Poll
The poll about the move is in Talk:Sethian (band). -Hapsiainen 21:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've completed the move. —Cleared as filed. 02:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Sethians in Patrick O'Brian's novels
Is anyone familiar with the Sethians referenced in the Aubrey-Maturin series of novels by Patrick O'Brian? In the books, the Sethians are a group of English sailors who practice an obscure branch of Christianity that no one else is familiar with. They are seen as somewhat eccentric and generally keep among themselves. Does anyone know if there is a connection between this group of Sethians and the ones from ancient Christianity? Acarvin 21:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know myself, but a librarian blogs: "As far as I can tell, O'Brian's English Sethians are a fabrication." Lee Choquette (talk) 02:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Reading THE LETTER OF MARQUE right now and on pp. 142ff (1992 Norton paperback edition) it seems clear that these are supposed to be pretty much the same as described in this Wikipedia article. But I am pretty sure that no such sect (Sethct?) existed in England at any point, let alone in 1812ish. It seems like a very in-joke. 47.148.59.67 (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

sethians where hebrew secterians
Why did visual error go and edit this page to make it appear that the sethians where christian gnostics when in fact they where around before christianity and only some wondering to the christian gnostics groups while others that stayed remained a hebrew platonist hybred. LoveMonkey 05:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Objection to calling Seth Priesthood "Judaic" and "Platonic"
" Their thinking, though it is predominantly Judaic in foundation, is arguably strongly influenced by Platonism. " Platonism post-dates the historical Seth, and although it is the Abrahamic text that records historical notice of this priesthood of Seth-Kohath. It is WRONG to say a more ancient religion is influenced by future philosophical or reliigous groups. to the underlaying unity of all life so that the voice of intuition may guide us closer to our common keeper (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

What "historical Seth". Sethianism developed in the 2nd century. You can argue that its ultimate origins lie in 1st century BC Hellenistic Judaism, but even there you will run into scholars who say you are mistaken. --dab (𒁳) 11:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

sethian ritual
I wrote a paper on Sethian and Valentinian ritual. if anyone would be interested in formatting this for the page, I'd be happy to email it to them. Ddhageman 10:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hypostasis of the Archons
Why is Hypostasis of the Archons not included in the list of texts, if Apocryphon of John is? They have very similar creation myths.

Thomasines?
The intro names "Thomasines" as a kind of later gnostic systems influenced by Sethianism. There is no Gnostic system called Thomasinism. The link goes to Thomas the Apostle, not to any Gnostic "Thomasines", but instead of St. Thomas Christians a.k.a. Syrian Malabar Nasrani who are what the name sounds as, i.e. Miaphysite Syrian Orthodox Christians, not Gnostics by very very far. (In fact Syrian Orthodox are one centimetre farther from gnosticism than main stream Christianity). There is a Gospel of Thomas, but either that scripture is a late edited copy of Q, the source of all Gospels, or it is a Gnostic (probably Valentinian) scripture, or both. I believe there was never any Gnostic "Thomasines". ... said: Rursus ( m bork³ ) 18:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Apoc. Adam
Changed the category to read Non-Christian instead of Pre-Christian since the document is generally dated to 1st or 2nd century common era.

"In this case the document may be a very early one, perhaps first or second century C.E., but no clear indications of its date have been perceived. Robinson, James McConkey ; Smith, Richard ;   Coptic Gnostic Library Project: The Nag Hammadi Library in English. 4th rev. ed. Leiden;  New York : E.J. Brill, 1996, S. 277"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.1.205 (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The texts are all recorded in the 4th century or later. So there is no way of knowing what material may have been added during the 3rd century, even in cases where we positively know the text (or "a text with the same title") had been in existence in the 2nd century. None of "Sethianism" can be shown to predate the 2nd century, much like the rest of Gosticism. The point here is that the distinction between Judaism, Christianity and Gnosticism only ever developed in that time. It is all based on various Hellenistic-Jewish esoteric stuff that developed in the 1st century BC, but the three separate traditions of [Rabbinical] Judaism, Christianity and Gnosticism only developed, as it were organically, out of this "common ancestor". So there may well be stuff derived from 1st century BC texts in all and any of these traditions, but it is not helpful to suggest this proves that the traditions existed as separate entities in the BC era. --dab (𒁳) 11:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Zeena Schreck
Zeena LaVey is mentioned as discussing Sethianism. Is this the sort that this article describes or a different kind? Ranze (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Different. That "Sethianism" refers to the Egyptian god Set (deity). Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 20:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

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Relation to Mandaeism
I recently made an edit removing part of the article that quoted a man saying Mandaeism is a living form of the Sethian tradition. While I am not posting this to disprove this claim, which is obviously false and easily dismissed as so, I would like to question its addition in the article.

I believe it only serves to create confusion because it is a strange seemingly “tacked on” addition to a previous mention between a *possible* link between the two traditions. Nowhere else in the article does it EVER bring up or expand upon this (absurd) theory. Either it should stay removed, or more detail should be added as to why the quoted person believes this. (Even though that doesn’t fit with the overall theme of the article.)

Forgive my poor organization and grammar I am typing this on my smartphone.

Additionally I made an edit linking the “Greater Armenia” page, please let me know if it is not the correct one, and feel free to edit it as I was unsure if “Greater Armenia” was referring to a geographical area or historical state. DgZt73 (talk) 05:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)