Talk:Seven Brides for Seven Brothers

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I was checking on the songs in the movie. I remembered Howard Keel singing a really catchy tune as he strolls through town looking for a bride. I thought if a list of the song titles was included in the info I would remember the tune. But alak and alass, I could find NO song titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.101.11 (talk) 04:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You must mean 'Bless My Beautiful Hide'. - 18.252.5.164 15:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's 'Bless Your Beautiful Hide'. -  &lsaquo; srah  &rsaquo;   20:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Content fork
I'm probably going to fork the stage version into its own article. I don't expect it to be too controversial a move, but I wanted to stir up some convo before I did it.&mdash; Music Maker 22:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (film) → Seven Brides for Seven Brothers—The disambiguation page lists three topics: the film (a popular success, nominated for the Best Picture Oscar and widely recognized as a classic), and its two short-lived adaptations on TV and Broadway. The film is obviously the primary topic and should be placed at the main title. 63.104.174.146 (talk) 21:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Seven Brides for Seven Brothers → Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (disambiguation)
 * Support Superfluous disambiguation. walk victor falktalk 05:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC) The film is clearly the wp:primary topic walk  victor falktalk 05:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, especially since the other uses are derivative. Powers T 20:08, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Abduction reaction?
I see that the article mentions that the "gals" were kidnapped and the pass sealed with an avalanche to prevent their rescue. Were these aspects of the plot overlooked by critics or the public when the film was released? Surely, post-feminism, they have not remained overlooked all this time? This glaringly chauvinistic, even criminal, behavior has always bothered me. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 01:48, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * As is related in the movie, the plot for 7 Brides was based on the tale of the Sabine Women by Livy and Plutarch. Considering the actual story involved the Romans fighting off, and theoretically killing, the women's relatives which then sparked a war, the plot in the movie is VERY benign. I think you are looking beyond the point made in the movie - the brothers are rough frontiersmen in a woman-poor community and they took the issue in their own hands. The boys didn't harm the girls other than to spirit them off from their family and then were promptly tossed out into the barn for the winter so the movie hardly glorifies the idea. Just because it ends happily doesn't mean the behavior wasn't wrong - the boys even figure out that at the end. Ckruschke (talk) 19:06, 12 March 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
 * (Think you meant wasn't wrong.) --gejyspa (talk) 12:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Lyrics by Johnny Mercer
I just watched the DVD. The credits say Lyrics by Johnny Mercer, Music by Gene de Paul. There's no mention of Johnny Mercer in the article. Seems like that ought to be corrected.10:48, 12 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.219.39.17 (talk)
 * I'll see what I can do. Ckruschke (talk) 18:51, 12 September 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke

Stage Adaptation
The article states that the stage adaptation was done in 1979. I saw the stage adaptation with Howard Keel and Jane Powell in Norfolk, Virgina, in 1978 before being transferred to Germany in November of that year. I have don't have a playbill or the exact date, but I have seen a playbill on ebay for the stage adaptation in 1978 in Dallas. The article on the musical does not give an adaptation date, only the Broadway opening (1982). As time permits, a correction should be made to this article. Thank you. 69.111.17.128 (talk) 08:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As you saw the 1978 production, could you please make the necessary correction to the article, and also mention details about the production on the stage musical article for "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers". Thank you.  Figaro (talk) 08:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Daniel and Ephraim - which brother is which?
Due to some people changing which actor played (and which color was worn by) both Daniel and Ephraim, and having had to correct this a number of times, the following is a 'guideline' in an attempt to hopefully ensure that, in future, the information will not be changed yet again to misinformation.

Unlike all of the other brothers, Daniel and Ephraim were not introduced individually to Milly, creating confusion about which brother is which. These two brothers were played by Marc Platt, who wore a mauve shirt - and Jacques d'Amboise, who wore a dark green shirt. Because Danial and Ephraim do almost everything together throughout the film, this has added to the confusion about which brother is Daniel and which brother is Ephraim.

However, there are clues, within the movie itself (including the end credits), which actually distinguishes Daniel from Ephraim. These clues, which can be easily checked on a DVD of the movie, include the following:
 * When Marc Platt, wearing the mauve shirt, accidentally bumps into one of the townsmen (one of the girls' suitors) during the barn dance, he attempts to shake the hand of the townsman in apology - however, the townsman wants to arm-wrestle him on a raised plank instead. When Marc Platt, wearing the mauve shirt, jumps onto the plank and begins to arm-wrestle the townsman, words of encouragement can be heard, including calls of: "Take him Dan" and "Come on Dan".
 * When Jacques d'Amboise, wearing the dark green shirt, comes up to the group of brothers and girls at the end of the song "Spring, Spring, Spring", he calls out "Frank, Dan, Ben, Caleb - everybody. Milly's having her baby".
 * In the wedding lineup of bridegrooms at the end of the movie, the brothers are standing in alphabetical order ("B", "C", "D", "E", "F", "G"). While the shirts are mostly hidden by jackets over the shirts, the colors of the shirts can still be seen.  The lineup, from left to right, is as follows:
 * Jeff Richards (Benjamin) - wearing the orange shirt
 * Matt Mattox (Caleb) - wearing the yellow shirt
 * Marc Platt (Daniel) - wearing the mauve shirt
 * Jacques d'Amboise (Ephraim) - wearing the dark green shirt
 * Tommy Rall (Frank) - wearing the red shirt
 * Russ Tamblyn (Gideon) - wearing the blue shirt


 * Also, the end credits of the movie states that:
 * Marc Platt (who wears the mauve shirt) appeared as 'Daniel'
 * Jacques d'Amboise (who wears the dark green shirt) appeared as 'Ephraim'.


 * Finally:
 * The Ballet Encyclopedia, in a biography page about Jacques d'Amboise, referred to him having been Ephraim in the film.(http://www.the-ballet.com/damboise.php).
 * An interview with Marc Platt mentions that he appeared as 'Dan' (Daniel) in the film.(http://seattletimes.com/html/entertainment/2002630142_ballets20.html?syndication=rss)

Hope this helps. Figaro (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This is fine and helpful. However, it does not belong in the article proper, as it is original research. More generally, I'm concerned by the sourcing of this article. It was a groundbreaking musical with dancing that to this day still gets attention, but unfortunately too much of the article is sourced to TCM and to questionable sources such as liner notes. I like the TCM website, but its quality is suspect. I've added some material I picked up when working on the Michael Kidd article and I'll see if I can get more. Coretheapple (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Cast listing in the closing credits does not follow the same billing order as in the opening credits
It may be noted that, in the film's opening credits, eight cast members are listed. Below is a reproduction of the form in which the cast is depicted:

The on-screen closing credits, however, list 23 cast members who are sorted into three groups of characters within the film's plot, partially without regard to their billing in the opening credits, although Jane Powell, top-billed on the left in the opening credits, is top-billed in group two and Howard Keel, top-billed on the right in the opening credits, is top-billed in group one.

Also, Jeff Richards (actor, born 1924), Russ Tamblyn and Tommy Rall, billed third, fourth and fifth in the opening credits, are billed second, third and fourth in group one. The remaining three cast members from the opening credits, Howard Petrie, Virginia Gibson and Ian Wolfe, are listed in group three, two and three, respectively, with Wolfe listed above Petrie.

Below is a reproduction of the form in which the cast is depicted in the closing credits:

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