Talk:Seventeen (South Korean band)/Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2015
Please change Jeonghan's name to Junghan and Woowoo to Wonwoo

Yehetmel (talk) 02:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I changed WooWoo to WonWoo per the band's website. However, it lists the other band member as Jeonghan so that is going to have to stay unless you can provide a source that would override the band's own website. --Stabila711 (talk) 02:41, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Filmography
Add a show under the "filmography" section, sub-section television, sub-sub-section variety shows. In 2016, they were on a variety show called The Boss is Watching, featuring all members. 74.101.168.185 (talk) 21:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I was unable to verify your claim. Please provide a reliable source (such as a news article) showing that they were on the variety show. Altamel (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

sickness ost
In the original soundtrack section, the drama isn't Love Sickness, it's Love Revolution. Please change it. 86.4.37.106 (talk) 22:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I was unable to find the section you are referring to. Altamel (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * it's here, check the section that says original soundtrack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_discography. Also, according to seventeen's official instagram (saythename_17), the album is called 'love letter' and it will be released on 25 apr. 86.4.37.106 (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Please fix typo
Hi, please fix the typo in the following sentence: "This album will be released as a Love version and a Letter version, much the same as the Boys Be album had two seperate versions." -> It should be "separate". Thanks! 80.140.250.221 (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Tour
Under where it mentions their 2016 Shining Diamonds tour, could you please add New Zealand? They held a concert in Auckland at Vector Arena, and New Zealand is neither in Singapore nor Australia. If it is possible, could this please be added? Thank you ^^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corandromeda (talk • contribs) 06:59, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2016
I'd like to link Joshua to the page Joshua Jisoo Hong Alicyi (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ by DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  10:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2016
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Suggest changing group image in infobox to a new, up-to-date one featuring all members (current one leaves out Wonwoo). Chosen image is from a recent showcase and displays each member's features clearly: Spectrales (talk) 05:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * {{not done}} File nominated for deletion as copyright violation, see http://www.koreastardaily.com/tc/news/88028. (Display of copyvio image here suppressed, see edit source.) 05:38, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding variety show to filmography
I was wondering why when i added tv shows and a section for variety shows, or adding members who participated in the show, it gets deleted as 'irrelevant info'. I don't understand? Why is my hard work being removed?

I dont think it's irrelevent info Mintsuga1010 (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What is the point of having this list of variety show guest appearances on here? So fans can look up exactly what episode of what variety show their favorite idol appears in? Just because Taylor Swift appears on The View (or any other TV shows) for an interview, we don't see any filmography page gets created for such a list, do we? These K-pop idols appear as guest in variety shows many times per year. Many times, it is trivial and does not have any important values to their career. It is ridiculous to list every single one of them and it's irrelevant in this sense. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a resume.--TerryAlex (talk) 01:55, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay i understand but many other kpop idols have this section with 'Variety Show' under filmography and displays the members etc. I thought it was useful and not irrelevant info.? But fine, if it is not accepted then I'll not include it anymore. Also why are some of the television programmes listed there? When some of them are also variety shows and some I included which are normal TV shows got deleted and were quite big/significant shows in Seventeen's career Mintsuga1010 (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * As K-pop idols sometimes have on-the-side projects such as their own reality shows or if one of the members become a long-term host for a music show, then perhaps, that would be acceptable as it’s a part of their work. But a guest appearance on Weekly Idol or Running Man, then no. As for Seventeen, I’m not one of their fans and not the editor who reverted your edit, so I cannot say for sure. Perhaps, editors who have better knowledge about Seventeen than I do can give you a better explanation., can you elaborate? (And just because other K-pop articles are plagued with the same misinformed activities doesn’t mean this page has to apply the same thing). Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:00, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The reason for those shows still being displayed is twofold: first of all, I've already attempted to take them off over five times and people keep tacking them back on, so I gave up; and second of all, I hesitate because I had to learn how to use code in Wikipedia for this page specifically and I still somehow manage to obliterate any table code I touch, especially when shows have been tacked in between others. The only shows that have real relevance to Seventeen are Big Debut Plan and One Fine Day, as they are the only shows in which Seventeen are the central topic of each episode. I'll update the table as soon as possible. Thanks! -- PeppermintGlow (talk) 20:04, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay now I understand, thank you for explaining it with me. I just wanted to ask since I didn't understand, thanks for responding quickly. And I won't trouble you with adding it in again haha Mintsuga1010 (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


 * The variety shows are now back in a fork, SEVENTEEN Variety Show Appearances. Should this be nominated for deletion? —C.Fred (talk) 12:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes it should, I proposed the deletion, if the user will remove the template without an explanation why this few guest appearances would need an article, it will go to Articles for deletion. Snowflake91  (talk) 12:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Tours section removed?
Hi, can you please explain why the Tours section of this page was removed? If there is 'no need' for a separate page that's fine, but I don't understand the 'no there's nothing there' explanation. Considering the fact that Seventeen has completed two tours, shouldn't the page still reflect them in a section? Or is there not enough significance to place them in their own section? Could you please elaborate, ? -- PeppermintGlow (talk) 11:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Completing two tours isn't really significant at all. This is what bands do routinely. If the content isn't verified by notable, reliable, independent secondary sources, it's probably not of encyclopedic value. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced content in members section
In the section members, the names and date of birth are all unsourced. It was added by recently. I am generally never comfortable with adding unsourced bio details. Can we either add sources or remove this please? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Just added sources.^^ Abdotorg (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2017
Please change Category:Korean pop music groups to Category:South Korean pop music groups. This is a nationality category tree rather than a genre category tree, and the latter is the correct by-nationality category for groups active after the division of Korea. Thanks, 59.149.124.29 (talk) 13:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Abdotorg (talk) 13:53, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2018
Change "Seventeen has released two studio albums and four extended plays" to "Seventeen has released one special album, one compilation album, five extended plays, and eight singles." ReservedTea (talk) 09:13, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ The special album and compilation albums don't hold enough significance to be pointed out like that, and as the singles were released under albums, we'll only mention the albums - this could be revisited if Seventeen ever release a well-received single outside of an album. As for EPs, I'd rather wait until YMMD is actually released. PeppermintGlow (talk) 12:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit the wiki page please
In 2018 boys did alot of stuff.

Please talk about their appearances in Vareity Shows.

Like Hoshi was in creaking heroes and Seungkwan in Unexpected Q. Junhui and Minghao in CYZJ and Joshua and Vernon in Idol hits.

Their song thanks was their first song to rank no 1 on melOn. The song did well on melOn despite being promoted only for 2 weeks.

Add BooSeokSoon debut. Like it's success and music genre.

And please Please PLEASE

Edit them being one of the top 5 in Kpop industry. And them being the 5 fifth boy group to have more than 2 million sales Junshirt (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ I'm afraid variety show appearances are not relevant for this page. China Line's appearance on CYZJ could be nominated on grounds of musical importance, but only on members' own personal pages which hitherto do not exist. MelOn 1st ranking isn't really deemed important overall - just as we don't make note of their firsts on other charts except Gaon Chart, which is the wikipedia-accepted chart. BSS debut and any relevant information regarding it is filed in a subsection under the members category. As for the top 5 - I've heard the news and I'm heckin excited, but I've yet to find a reputable Korean source for it. If you have one please send it to me and it will be added ASAP! PeppermintGlow (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2018
Donna1695 (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Simplexity22 (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2018
Donna1695 (talk) 19:27, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Done, technically... What change did you want made? —C.Fred (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I would like to publish S.coups article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donna1695 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * @Donna1695: That's a separate matter from the article about the band; that doesn't justify a change to this article yet. Further, you'd need to show that S.Coups is notable outside the band. Would you like me to take the material you started about him and move it to draft space? —C.Fred (talk) 19:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've consolidated the two drafts about him at Draft:S.Coups. —C.Fred (talk) 19:39, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Lee chan
Can you please put lee Chan as Micheal Jackson’s son 😭😭😭😭 it would be so cool if you did that !! Because you damn well know he is his son. Ilovefrog (talk) 03:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ Hi, Wikipedia is not a fanpage, it is a legitimate online encyclopedia with legitimate sources. To even pretend to say this as a joke would very seriously be in violation of WP:BLP and it could easily trigger lawsuits. Please redirect fandom jokes to other domains such as forums, fanpages, and possibly fandom wiki. PeppermintGlow (talk) 20:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018
Title Moshimoshi17 (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2018
~Add a "Variety Show" section instead of completely disregarding the fact that we can't add it into filmography. If there are any queries/trouble in compiling the list for variety shows that seventeen has appeared in, please refer to the following Google Docs: ~ Moshimoshi17 (talk) 16:26, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌. It's not clear exactly what you want to add (variety show?).  And in any case, you'd need to provide reliable sources for this information.  Besides, an exhaustive list of every TV appearance by anyone in this band starts to get into trivia territory.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 18:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * Noting that the proposal was withdrawn.Klbrain (talk) 05:52, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Tsunami
With an editor added information that members of the band were killed and missing after the 2018 Sunda Strait tsunami in Indonesia. However, it was that the source referred to an Indonesian band by the same name, not the Korean band that is the subject of this article.  General Ization Talk  05:58, 23 December 2018 (UTC) |ans= X no don't, thats different seventeen dude, you are mean seventeen from Indonesia right? this is seventeen from south korea

Requested move 23 December 2018

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The result of the move request was: MOVE. As per user request, the discussion was closed prematurely to interfere less with the ongoing broadcasting and dissemination of information concerning the 2018 Sunda Strait tsunami. Furthermore, there were no opinions dissenting to the move. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Seventeen (band) → Seventeen (South Korean band) – This move request is an attempt to disambiguate this band from Seventeen (Indonesian band), the Indonesian pop group who was affected by the 2018 Sunda Strait tsunami. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 22:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Per WP:PRECISE the current title is a WP:PDAB.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:39, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support although I don't think it will do much to separate the two bands, having less ambiguity would be wise. PeppermintGlow (talk) 23:03, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support WP:PRECISE / WP:PDAB. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:20, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Suggest that the next editor close this quickly as WP:SNOW and related to a current news event In ictu oculi (talk) 10:52, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


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Please update
Please update the following sentence "Seventeen has released two studio albums and five extended plays." It should be six extended plays with You Made My Dawn 모미지 (talk) 18:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ - seven actually including the jpn ep. Abdotorg (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Clean-up 10.2019
In order to clean up dated, irrelevant or biased information, I've combed through this page and picked out things that weren't necessary and added others in. However, I think the information regarding the 2015 Like Seventeen - Boys Wish concerts, and the 17 Japan Concert: Say The Name #Seventeen is also irrelevant and applicable for deletion. On the other hand, I don't know whether these small concert series are valid enough to stay in without becoming trivial in light of larger concerts and tours the group has been on. I have similar feelings about the 'Chapter 0.5 Before AL1' videos being mentioned, though I don't feel as strongly about those. Are there any thoughts on this? do you think they are valid enough to stick around? PeppermintGlow (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Request to edit 2019-present section of SEVENTEEN page
Seventeen's Japanese comeback in September 2020 with mini album 24H, source: https://www.seventeen-17.jp/statics/24h

24H's achievement to top Japan Oricon chart, the first non-Japanese international male artist to achieve a fourth-consecutive win on the weekly album chart, source: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200915000374 and http://www.koreatimesus.com/seventeen-earns-fourth-consecutive-oricon-album-chart-win-with-24h/. The same album receives platinum certification from Japan Recording Industry association, source https://www.seventeen-17.jp/posts/information/cgrybe and https://www.riaj.or.jp/f/data/cert/gd.html

Seventeen Joshua and DK's collaboration with US based singer, PinkSweats, source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarherman/2020/09/24/pink-sweat--seventeen-discuss-coming-together-on-17-remix-in-age-of-corona/#263097005519h — Preceding unsigned comment added by BarbaraUkulele (talk • contribs) 10:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅ - The relevant information has been updated in this article. PeppermintGlow (talk) 00:12, 7 November 2020 (UT

for 2021
I'm wondering if their US TV debut in the beginning of this month can be included. I think it's noteworthy for their career since this is their first full on US TV debut with their actual title songs being performed. I think this year they will start to promote more in the west here's the article talking about their successful US TV debut: https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/241/0003083418 https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/311/0001254077 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeon wonwoo (talk • contribs) 11:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 21 February 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 16:44, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

– per WP:BANDDAB, I used "(group)" because South Korea's Seventeen members perform WITHOUT musical instruments (those members are mainly vocalists and rappers) while Indonesia's members perform with musical instruments (I used "(band)" for Indonesia's Seventeen). - St3095  (?)  07:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 11:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Seventeen (South Korean band) → Seventeen (group)
 * Seventeen (Indonesian band) → Seventeen (band)
 * SF9 (band) → SF9 (group)

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 * This would be somewhat confusing, both of them are musical groups and both of them are bands (as in a "boy band"). – Thjarkur (talk) 10:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I just read Talk:BTS/Archive 2. - St3095  (?)  10:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment We currently have the following unrelated band–group pairs:
 * Empire (band), Empire (group)
 * Kush (band), Kush (group)
 * Lisp (band), Lisp (group)
 * Orbit (band), Orbit (group)
 * Savoy (band), Savoy (group)
 * Spectrum (band), Spectrum (group)
 * Stockholm Syndrome (band), Stockholm Syndrome (group)
 * The Choirboys (band), The Choirboys (group)
 * Touch (band), Touch (group)
 * Trademark (band), Trademark (group)
 * Varsity (band), Varsity (group)
 * There are also two cases where the group is not a musical ensemble:
 * Anonymous (band), Anonymous (group)
 * Headgear (band), Headgear (group)
 * – Certes (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Another similar move request involving a long list of articles is ongoing at Talk:2AM (band). 162.208.168.92 (talk) 14:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose 1st and 2nd moves. There's not much point in making both titles more vague in the name of "conciseness". They can both be called "groups", and given that the South Korean group is a boy band, they can also be called a "band", so either title could inadvertently refer to the other one. The only thing that would accomplish is causing a bunch of users to end up on the wrong page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it time to question WP:BANDDAB? Wiktionary defines band as A group of musicians who perform together... and group as A ... group of people who perform music together, which seem confusingly similar to me.  Would the average reader really look for the member of Category:Indonesian alternative rock groups at Seventeen (band) but the similarly named boy band at Seventeen (group)? Certes (talk) 01:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose all and second call to revert current WP:BANDDAB from local consensus of a few pop music editors back to a state the benefits all readers. Propose that an RFC needed In ictu oculi (talk) 17:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose all. "Boy band" and "girl band" are common names, whether they play instruments or not. And "group" does not just mean a musical group. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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Svt
Variety Shows and Guesting 111.90.199.51 (talk) 13:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * We do not list variety show guesting. Abdotorg (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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Making a Wikipedia page for a member (DK)
I made a Wikipedia page for DK and it got accepted but was later removed and declined (twice). One of the requirements is whether a separate article for the subtopic is warranted or not needs to be discussed in the main talk page of Seventeen's article. I'm confused as to what to do. Idk nothing so just (talk) 15:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Write the article with reliable citations that meet Wikipedia's General notability guideline - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That's it. If it's only press releases about the subject in relation to Seventeen, it's not independent notability or significant coverage. Evaders99 (talk) 21:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for the answer. Idk nothing so just (talk) 15:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Translating an article
I want to translate an article about a member from Korean to English but I realized that (according to Wikipedia) the article seems to already have an English translation which is this article ( Seventeen (South Korean band) ). I'm not sure how to translate the member's article to English or if it's even possible or not. I realized a lot of the members' "English" articles redirect to this page. Idk nothing so just (talk) 17:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can certainly translate them - use your own personal sandbox or Drafts space for such articles. They still need to match English Wikipedia's notability and sourcing requirements which may be different from the Korean Wikipedia. Evaders99 (talk) 07:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you for answering. Idk nothing so just (talk) 16:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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