Talk:Severus of Antioch

Not an "Oriental Orthodox" saint
While Severus is considered a saint by the Coptic Church, he is considered a heretic by the Armenian and Syrian churches, so it is misleading to present him as an "Oriental Orthodox" saint. TheEvilPanda (talk) 12:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't speak about the Armenian Church (although I consider it highly unlikely). However, this is demonstrably false with regard to the Syrian Church, as evidenced by the fact that Severus is commemorated during the Qurbana (Eucharist), along with the likes of James of Jerusalem, Ignatius of Antioch, and Cyril of Alexandria.  See the following:  "Anaphora of St. James".  The relevant section is "Canon of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church".  --Midnite Critic (talk) 14:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You are right about the Syrians. I don't know where the OP got these ideas. Severus is an officially commemorated saint in the Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopian, Eritrean, and Malankara Orthodox. The only Syrians who potentially would regard Severus as being a heretic are those of the Assyrian Church of the East and the Antiochian Orthodox Church, neither of which are Oriental Orthodox and thus irrelevant. The Armenians did regard Severus as a heretic at one point, but there was a council in 721 in which the Syrian and Armenian Christologies were reconciled, and thus it isn't true that the Armenians necessarily regard Severus as a heretic anymore. Deusveritasest (talk) 02:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

NPOV????
I don't think so. As I have time, I will attempt to change that, but a thorough rewriting is in order. --Midnite Critic (talk) 19:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Peter the Iberian
As is made clear by the article on Peter the Iberian, it is not undisputed that Peter was a "zealous Eutychian" as the article currently says. I will delete this clause to maintain NPOV. Deusveritasest (talk) 01:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Peculiarity of dating
It is stated that St. Severus became Patriarch of Antioch in 512 A.D. According to coptic resources regarding the commemoration of St. Dioscorus II, the 31st Pope of Alexandria, his first work after enthronement was to write to the Patriarch of Antioch expressing the Coptic formulae stating that the Word of God was incarnated in a human body perfect in everything, and united with it and became one Son, one Christ, one God, in inseparable unity and that the Trinity is one before and after this unity and no addition was effected to Him by the Incarnation. This seem to be quite to the point what was not in line with the Council of Chalcedon that neither the Syrian nor the Alexandrian churches convened with. A historiographical challenge in regard of this story is that St. Dioscorus II departed in year 511 A.D. according to the coptic resources, and that St. Severus did not become Patriarch of Antioch until 512 A.D. Which sources to trust is not in any way given unless parting with one of the fractions the historiographers of that time pertain to. But the breach in this historiography is significantly mirroring the schism between the old Oriental Churches and the then still united Church of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church. I'm putting this up here because it should be worthwhile to look into the disputable dating of when St. Severus became Patriarch of Antioch.--Xact (talk) 02:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Sources in the main text
Shouldn't the sources be given in notes instead of in the main text? The way it is now makes it difficult to read. Skullheadhq (talk) 10:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Founder of syriac orthodox church
MOR severious is not a founder of Syriac orthodox church. Saint peter is the founder of Syriac orthodox church In before of severios lived Chalcedon bishops. eldhose 07:35, 16 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldhorajan92 (talk • contribs)

Syriac spelling
As much as I'm sure you are infinitely more knowledgeable about the Syriac script than I am, I reverted as you did not provide a page number for your source or properly format it. I am consequently assuming you're referencing page 5 of Mission and Ecumenism and The Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch and all the East (SOCAE)” (2020). I have no issue with the source, however, I do take issue with referencing an image when I already have another reliable source that provides the unicode of the Syriac. If you can provide a source, and properly format it, then I will leave it be. Please familiarise yourself with the templates available on Wikipedia for you to use, see WP:REFB. Mugsalot (talk) 00:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. I will do that, like you declared. Drmartinbey (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Reference for the alleged attack on Chalcedonian Pilgrims ?
There is an allegation that Severus and Peter of Apamea were charged with killing 250 pilgrims by hiring some Jewish Missionaries. The reference cited for this (Knezevich (1991)) is an excerpt from the Coptic Encyclopedia Volume 7. The author, Linda Knzevich, has not clarified from which source she has derived this information. Though she lists a number of references below her article, it is not clear which of these references is the source of this particular allegation. Some of those references are unavailable online. I am unable to find any other information or mentions by other historians about this particular incident. Any additional information will be greatly appreciated. 162.216.142.8 (talk) 20:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)