Talk:Sexual slavery/Archive 1

content needs sourcing
Moving this apparent nonsense here from "white slave trade" article:


 * The White slave trade is on a steap increase in many parts of the world, especially in Eastern Europe and Greece, where women sell at a rate 1000$ per one or even lower. The Southeastern Asia is another source of white slaves. They are mostly imported by Western European countries - the white slave business is among the three most profitable forms of illegal business - rivaled only by drug and weapon smuggling. In recent years, Israel has become an international centre of white slave trade. This is thought to be related to the large Russian community in the country (Israel's role has been subject to widespread attention and study, for one example see ).

So, not knowing much about this, why is this "apparent nonsense"? Insufficiently referenced? Graft

I didn't say it was apparent nonsense, someone else did. But I think I can answer. First, consider the source (a banned user who I just banned again). Not reliable. Second, spelling errors: 'steap increase'? Certainly some reliable information on this topic would be welcomed. Jimbo Wales 18:12 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)

there is information provided in this talk page (erased - see my previous post) which is from the reference on the page. jimbo - you should read your own disclaimer - you are erasing valid information.


 * I dislike the practice of reverting changes solely on the basis of who made them. Though it is easier for us to judge content on the basis of who wrote it, it can result in our seeing bias where none exists. Unless we have some other, non-personality based reason to think this text is suspect, we ought to leave it in place. Graft

claims supported by scientific evidence should not be removed by the NPOV policy.


 * I totally agree. Too bad you don't give any scientific evidence to back up your assertions.  -- Zoe

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References?

Here are some references you might use. It appears that Israel has become conspicuous as a place where White sexual slavery is carried on.

"A modern form of slavery," The Jerusalem Post, 13 January 1998. "Traffickers' New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women," New York Times, 11 January 1998. http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/Israel_Sex_Slavery.html http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1374

White slavery refers to the indentured servitude of Caucasian-Americans, who were treated worse than Negro slaves. Former president Andrew Johnson was a White Slave.

Roadrunner 01:51, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * This is a repeated vandalism from quite similar IP. Nothing more, see history. Oneliner 11:30, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

To what does the country song "16 tons" refer to, then?

The sharecropping system and other practices which arose in the South after slavery was abolished, which while primarily affecting African-Americans did affect whites as well.

pov/unbalanced
most of this page is devoted to dicounting white slavery, with a short reference to "sex slavery".

This page also smacks of racism -- the panicked, bigoted white folks afraid of the chinese making their women slaves?

There is nothin POV or unbalanced about this page. The white slave trade has never historically existed. During the progressive Era a investigation into the white slave trade revealed that it did not exist and that women were driven into prostituion by economic reasons. Furrthermore the white slave trade was used by "the panicked, bigoted white folks" to attack the evil Jews and Chinese. When something is a fact it is not a POV and all historical sources support this article. Furthermore the anonymous user who put up the POV has done nothing on wikipedia but attack african american related articles.--Gary123 22:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

LOL, the Barbary Pirates are a fantasy then? Speaking of which, I think this article should contain a link (even if only for the purposes of disambiguation) to the Barbary Pirates.

If it doesn't refer to race, then what does it refer to? &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 04:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Not a POV??? Iain - a reader

The White slave trade did exist historically but really not in the C19th moral panic surrounding the numerous opium dens of London- as described. There was a large number of endentured white slave labour in the West Indies and Americas before the African Slave trade took off on large scale. Also there was a white slave trade in Morocco for centuries. See the Barbary Pirates or Corsairs and new-ish book out called 'White Gold'. This only ended in 1813 when Tangiers was levelled by British warships. There is evidence that this was a Jihadi adventure by these Islamic slavers.

The contemporary 'white slave trade' is largely run by organised crime in the former Eastern Block and part of the bigger problem of people trafficking in Europe. And there is no evidence at all that I have seen that Israel, although there is organised crime there as elsewhere, is a part of that.

There could and perhaps should be a full and proper article done on this subject. There is an expansion of Slavery studies away from the narrow focus on the Atlantic trade that has missed out a great deal of the history of slavery in the Islamis world, the Far East, to the Americas (that wasn't African in origin), the endentured labour that replaced official slavery in the Empire that effected many thousands of Indians for example and not least the contemporary problem in Europe. Africa still has an on-going black slave trade too.

A bit about christian and white slaves
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm

http://www.britannica.com/shakespeare/article-13548

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/alpha/algiers1816.htm

See also the life of Cervantes (Don Quixote's author), slave during 5 years in Algiers (he managed to pay a ransom before the unsold slaves were sent to Constantinople)

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14036a.htm

The Trinitarians, founded in 1198 by St. John of Matha and St. Felix of Valois, established hospitals for slaves at Algiers and Tunis in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; and from its foundation until the year 1787 it redeemed 900,000 slaves. The Order of Our Lady of Ransom (Mercedarians), founded in the thirteenth century by St. Peter Nolasco, and established more especially in France and Spain, redeemed 490,736 slaves between the years 1218 and 1632. To the three regular vows its founder had added a fourth, "To become a hostage in the hands of the infidels, if that is necessary for the deliverance of Christ's faithful." Many Mercedarians kept this vow even to martyrdom. Another order undertook not only to redeem captives, but also to give them spiritual and material assistance. St. Vincent of Paul had been a slave at Algiers in 1605, and had witnessed the sufferings and perils of Christian slaves. At the request of Louis XIV, he sent them, in 1642, priests of the congregation which he had founded. Many of these priests, indeed, were invested with consular functions at Tunis and at Algiers. From 1642 to 1660 they redeemed about 1200 slaves at an expense of about 1,200,000 livres. But their greatest achievements were in teaching the Catechism and converting thousands, and in preparing many of the captives to suffer the most cruel martyrdom rather than deny the Faith.

Not refering to race?
Is there anybody else interested in bringing this article into a form that makes sense and doesn't include nonesense like the "white slavery does not refer to race"-sentence?


 * My understanding was that the "white" in "white slavery" was a reference to race, but the article currently offers no explanation of the term's origin, except to say that it became popular during coverage of the Eliza Armstrong case. It seems almost self-evident that this would have been understood as a racial reference at the time, but maybe someone knows of a reference that explicitly states that this was the case? I'm not suggesting that the term doesn't refer to sexual slavery: it appears that it usually does, although it has also been used to describe non-sexual slavery. I haven't seen references to "white slaves" of non-European background though, and the reference to "our girls" in the title of the 1911 book The Great War on White Slavery: Or Fighting for the Protection of Our Girls seems clear enough.--Eloil 03:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Expert needed
I asked for an Expert on this topic for the following reasons:


 * the article is quiete short


 * the different definitions from different speakers could be made clearer, maybe with a short statement on mainstream-history-pov on these isues (revisionist say this ... what does mainstream history think about it?)


 * the section about white slavery in the sense of trafficking in women and forced prostitution and the related history could made clearer

--> I could take care of the latter, but I would need someone to proofread my text, because I am not a native speaker, and I can't say anything about the white-slavery-definitions of revisionist and co

--Enfiladissa 07:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

White Slaves
Err.. the history of White Slavery is probably as old as the history of white People. Arabs took white Slaves, White Western Europeans took Eastern Europeans as slaves. Most of the slaves in the Roman Empire are believed to have been white, not too sure about Greece. Firther to this, dear old Ireland was at one time the capital of the White Slave trade. --Irishpunktom\talk 10:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * true, people that we would consider "white" today have been enslaved for as long as there's been slavery. but there are concepts inextricably tied to the use of "white slavery" as we understand it:


 * 1) that white people are a distinct grouping that transcends national and cultural boundaries.
 * 2) that enslaving white people is somehow different from enslaving non-white people, different enough to require special distinction.

. . .ideas which arose in a specific context, you can guess which, and are not relevant elsewhere. a roman would have considered his african and german slaves equally barbaric and equally deserving of enslavement, and he would have used the same terminology for both.

honestly, i think use of the term is an expression (albeit an unconscious one, usually) of racism, though it's less obviously offensive than "nigger". &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 09:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

'Analyzed' I think you mean. You would not do what you said unless you took seriously someone's request to just shove it. :)
 * that's a question of theory reproduction vs. theory generation. The term 'white slavery' is used by historians and others for the discription of different phenomenas, plenty of others have analized the term and its related dicourses as an expression of rasism (more or less unconscious) ... --Enfiladissa 11:04, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

The term 'white slavery' does not show unconscious racism by the user. It is rather a reflection of the fact that slavery was, for a time racialy based. It had not been in the ancient world. Western civilization alone of all the worlds cultures contained people (Abolitionists) who decided that slavery was a crime against humanity. Because this particular culture was founded amongst Caucasians, it used their racial reference points. Since the triumph of Abolition doctrine throughout the world (in theory)it is it now cut loose from those reference points. The US State Dept. for example, now refers to 'Sexual' rather than 'white' slavery. This change reflects the new, better realities of the modern world, but there is no reason to be ashamed of the older term, or to not use it in its historical context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.69.80.252 (talk) 18:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Slavs
the word slave comes from the practice of taking people from the slavic nations as slaves. just wanted to point that out. this article needs serious revistion. Lue3378 07:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Qestion from Japanese wikipedian
Nice to meet you.I am Japanese wikipedian. I hear that the word [] also means women who were forced to be engaged to prostitution by Japanese yakuza. Is it true?61.205.178.150 08:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Technically, yes. In fact, the color of the woman is irrelevant in the word's usage.  But the historical origin of using "white" in the word was in order to distinguish this particular kind of slavery from the traditional slavery of most black people in the Americas.  Another reason forced prostitution was called "white slavery" was to provoke a sense of horror into the minds (both individually and collectively) of the public, given that it was "unthinkable" that a white person (especially a white woman) could or would ever be subjected to this sort of torment.  Naturally, this was a frequent topic of tabloids and pulp comics, and additionally it was often used in anti-Chinese and anti-semitic propaganda--which ethnic group was targeted in this manner depended mainly on which side of the continent the newspapers were being printed from.  The Mann Act was a product of the public paranoia created by the media publishers and religious groups, and the abuses of this law are legendary.  Does that answer all of your questions? Sweetfreek 10:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I suppose that the events which you mention are all phenomenon of 19th century and early 20th century. In Japanese wikipedia's article 'ホワイトスレイブリ'=[white slavery] we discuss that "this word is historical or active". In 1980s American journalists David・E・Kaplan and Alec・Dubro used the word 'white slave' for victims of Japanese yakuza's sex trade in their best seller book 'Yakuza : The Explosive Account of Japan's Criminal Underworld'. But recently when State Department criticize Japanese sex business, they always use not 'white slave' but 'sexual slave'. Do English spoken people use the words 'white slave' and 'white slavery' still now?61.205.178.150 15:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * English-speaking people still do use the term "white slavery", but it's considerably less common now because of the racial connotation.--Pharos 09:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * In English, the term refers to *White/European Women *in sexual slavery *in the 1800s. If it does not meet ALL of these three conditions, we would not use the term. It refers to the 1800s only, not today or in modern-times. It refers to white women, not black or Asian women. And lastly it refers to sexual slavery, not field work slavery, not prostitution where it is the womans choice to be a prostitute. All three conditions must be met. Hope this helps. --Jon in California 4 Jan 2008.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.73.9 (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Political Correctness has rendered this article useless.
I removed the following, as it insinuates that the term is only used by white supremacists, and that the only people who recognize the existence of white slavery in history are white supremacist revisionists.

Hate Groups
The term white slavery is also used in revisionist and white supremacy literature to refer to any slavery of people with light skin.

I also removed this one, because it basically claims that the only "white slaves" were mixed with other races, and the title suggests that these slaves were only seen in the South.

In the American South
During the period of slavery in the United States, there were some slaves who had mostly white ancestry and/or appeared white, due to the legal doctrine of partus. The existence of these slaves was highly emphasised in anti-slavery propaganda.

This article SERIOUSLY needs a makeover, and not by some dogmatic PC teenager with paleface guilt and tunnel vision. Indentured servitude and sharecropping are completely ignored, as are Irish coffin ships. If no one else does, I'm probably going to rewrite this article once I get the energy to do enough research, though an expert would still be desperately needed.


 * As far as sharecropping is concerned, Africans in the American south were the main people held under virtual slavery by the sharecropping system after the US civil war, not whites. The article's title is simply an outdated reference to sexual slavery, and has nothing to do with the race or color of the slaves.

-That being said, the genotype of all us French-Canadians has just been sold for 12 million$. At about 6 million inbreds on medicare who only get prescribed neuroleptics even for occasionnal sleeplessness, only 2,00$ a pop for some genetic info and a lifetime of prescribed neurotoxins. Maybe I am a little dramatic, I didn't know we were such great guinea pigs. This is not about racism as such, it's, as always, about money and power and in this case some Swedish BioScience company named Genizon or GalileoGenome. Check it out please.


 * Not even remotely relevent to the article.

Use of the term by proslavery writers in the antebellum South
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not a professional expert on the subject, just an undergraduate American History major...) but I was taught that the term "white slavery" was also used by pro-slavery rhetoricians in the antebellum South to refer to northern industrial workers who were "enslaved" in their factory jobs, thus contrasting the South's "compassionate" and "mild" form of legal slavery with the de facto "white slaves" of the North. (Possible references on the subject could be found in antebellum newspapers from a large southern city, such as Richmond, VA.) As it stands, this article refers only to prostitution, not the use of the term as a rhetorical device. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarichkaa (talk • contribs) 06:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC).
 * So the South was Marxist? 74.225.130.13 07:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleted edits by suspected Hoaxer
I deleted uncited edits made by a suspected hoaxer, Serenesoulnyc, who even wrote a special article "Swedish Slave trade" which is delibirately different than Swedish slave trade. Dan Gluck 16:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I suspect the references to Chaim Potok and this Aymn Almsaodi are also his. Potok is real, and he really did write such a work.  I think the Aymn Almsaodi is his invention.  I commented on all this where he put a paragraph in the article Sarmatians, a section called "Senuric legacy."  140.147.160.78 20:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

White slavery and moral panic
 "white slavery" is usually used to refer to this moral panic,

This probably needs to be rephrased. To my knowledge the term "white slavery" is only ever used to refer to the practice of child prostitution: I've never seen the term used to refer to the moral panic.

Ordinary Person 23:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

North Africa's white slave trade
I've moved this to Talk since it seems to be using the word in a way that is different from the rest of the article.


 * During the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries up to 1.25 million white slaves were captured by Barbary Pirates. They were snatched from ships and coastal villages and sold as slaves in towns like Salé, on the coast of Morocco. The trade in European slaves was a boom business throughout North Africa in the 1700s. The Slavers even established a base on Lundy Island, in England and sailed freely up and down the English Channel. In 1784 Morocco seized its first American ship. In the first few years of the 1800s the United States and some of the European Powers won two wars against the Barbary Pirates. The slave trade, however, only ceased when the colonial powers that eventually took over North Africa passed laws against it.

However, this passage raises an issue of content. It may be relevant to mention the fact that the concept of "white slavery" preceded the use of term as a form of euphemism for prostitution. In particular it was used to refer to the white concubines in Islamic harems, especially Circassians, who were a topic of popular literature and art from the 1840s (see Circassian beauties), and became a significant theme in America in the 1860s, when "white slavery" was being contrasted with "black slavery" in terms defined by racial ideologies of the era. There is a great deal of literature on the Circassian debate, and it links directly to the assumption that "white slavery" is identical to specifically sexual slavery. Paul B (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Racism/Cultural Bias in this Article
In the "Sexual slavery during armed conflict and war" section, the content is explicitly biased. The Bible describes that rape during war was a pagan activity? Christians during wartime have NEVER raped? Not only is that highly unlikely, it's just flat out false. We have numerous documents that Christians raped non-Christians and Christians alike during the Crusades, not to mention other wars.

in response to this first section, the article was talking about the Bibles account of pagans involved in sexual violence. it couldnt talk about Christian violence (i.e the crusades) as it was written before the era. Also to balance things the author has tried to claim that the bible commands sexual violence, which it doesnt if you actually read it.

Additionally, this article only focuses on non-white cultures engaging in rape during war time. Hello? American soldiers were conclusively found guilty of rape in Vietnam and the Iraq wars, and there was white slavery involved. European soldiers (not just Germans or Nazis) were also guilty of organized/institutionalized rape, especially during the World Wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.207.72 (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC) i do agree that mention needs to be given to sexual violence by western colonial forces.

'and as the law of God (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)' it is claimed in this article that the Bible commands sexual violence during wartime. However if you actually read that passage it doesnt. there is no hint of violence and although it doesnt say that she has a right to refuse marriage, it doesnt say you can force her to marry you either. all it says it that Israelitie men are allowed to marry female POWs, which is not a war crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonhoffer (talk • contribs) 17:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion
I would like to suggest an edit to the "Middle-East" part of the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery#The_Middle_East

The edit I propose is as follows:

The Middle East
In the contemporary Middle East, sexual slavery exists, and transportation and trafficking occurs. Similar to most other sensitive matters, it is difficult if not impossible to determine the true extent of the problem in any of the middle eastern countries other than in Israel. Consequently, effective or constructive pressure is difficult to apply in the Middle East, outside of Israel, and there is little reliable evidence that any significant action has been taken in those territories. Fortunately, at least in Israel, the unique combination of a free press (both local and international), together with constant international focus and free access, permits an easy accumulation of information about the true nature of the problem, and therefore enables constructive pressure to be applied successfully. For example, in Israel,the press was able to report on official studies into human trafficking for the sex trade industry  — much of it involving women from Eastern Europe. Eastern European women also end up in Turkey and United Arab Emirates. And there is significant evidence of action taken by both Israeli Government bodies and NGOs to address the problem, at both the national and international level.

Elsewhere, there is some evidence that many of the Iraqi women fleeing the........

Abadax (talk) 23:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC) (Abadax (talk) 23:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC))

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I changed the NPOV tag to Long NPOV, since it's not clear either on this page or in the article which sections have a dispute. --24.118.206.25 05:38, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I included more details on sex trafficking in Cambodia in the page "Southeast Asia" and elaborating the use of Human Security approach to improve the situation.-pretchan

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Surely there exists non-consensual sexual slavery. I think the current article is too biased towards the BDSM connotation.


 * I find "consensual sexual slavery" to be an oxymoron. "Consensual" denotes that it is not slavery, besides, it is hardly a form of exerted ownership. I find putting prominent references to 'BDSM' in everything to do with sexual abuse to be not very sensitive.


 * I would tend to agree with this. If it's truly consensual, then it's submissive bondage roleplaying, not true slavery.  Technically this is done with techniques like "safe words" etc.  Real sexual slavery is far worse.  -Kasreyn


 * I agree that the BDSM context should be in seperate articles. You are however, wrong that the use of safe-words etc. is universal. There is a significant segment of the D/s community that practices this without safe-words, as well as prior agreement to ignore the revocation of the initial consent, many of which think such practices should be legally sanctioned. More than a few criminal cases have started out this way, with people entering into it without giving proper consideration to what they are getting themselves into. I'd agree that the real thing is generally worse, though, as that involves an abscence of initial consent, as well as an absence of the wiring that gives consensual slaves some measure of positive experience from it. Zuiram 00:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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ALL slavery has strong sexual elements. Today MOST slavery is entirely sexual (kidnapping for prostitution, etc.) in motivation - if rape is sex that is. Historians have edited the reality, of course, but contemporary writers are often quite honest about it, e.g. ancient Greek and Roman and Indian and Chinese writers waxing on about various ways to have sex with slaves or serfs.


 * I don't have too much knowledge about this, but I'm not sure if ALL slavery has STRONG sexual elements. That may be showing too much bias; what about someone who's a (literal) slave for a week, works the field the whole time? Greek and Roman slaves? Slaves in African culture? pre-'Discovery' South American cultures? Historical China and the Asian states? The very fact that writers in most time periods consider 'sex with slaves' a topic necessitating discussion might imply that the practices was all-encompassing. A thought.


 * All we can go by is how much the US Confederacy, a recent slave culture, talked about it (not) versus how much they did it (in almost all families). And, of course, modern practices.  But this suggests three concepts here:


 * BDSM consensual slavery games


 * slavery for the purposes of sexual use, e.g. modern kidnapping for prostitution


 * slavery for other purposes where sex was common or permissible, e.g. almost all slave cultures

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The term "sex slave" and "consensual sexual slavery" are sometimes used in BDSM to refer to a consensual agreement between sexual partners (see also total power exchange).

As this line is for another meaning, I think it's a tastelessness word here. IMHO It can be in an another meaning page. --213.98.173.169 (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

On STD of Japanese comfort women

 * Conditions in these brothels were very harsh, and many were never kept clean. Those women who contracted STD's from the soldiers were often left to die or shot.


 * Sad story I am sure and I do not doubt your claim but sources please. --SelfStudyBuddy 09:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

hmm, i wonder why would the chinese do that, because its BULLSHIT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.195.85 (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Recreation and Amusement Association
Does the RAA really count as a form of sexual slavery? AFAIK the RAA's members were ordinary prostitutes, perhaps forced into the job for economic reasons, but certainly not held there by gunpoint like the real comfort women... Jpatokal 02:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Of course, they can't reject the "work". Sometimes they must handled more than one hundred soldiers a girl in one day. If girls reject them, according to ex-mother superior of Komachi-en (biggest center), brave soldiers should resort to violence, and/or they ask it to other "amateur" women. against the girl's effort, soldiers' rapes were anywhere, so GHQ had to order Japanese press not to report them to the public.Kadzuwo 09:02, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * The key difference here is that RAA workers could stop working if they wanted, while comfort women would be killed if they tried. This is the difference between a prostitute and a sex slave. Jpatokal 09:37, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * You might like to see my comments at Talk:Recreation and Amusement Association. Andrewa 20:15, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I admit "orphans -> women". It's neutral, because we have not statistics.Kadzuwo 09:31, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Do you understand what "war widow" and "orphan" mean? A war widow (&#25126;&#20105;&#26410;&#20129;&#20154;) is a woman whose husband was killed in the war.  An orphan (&#36986;&#20816;) is a child with no parents, so you're claiming that children were getting raped by GIs!  But fine, I'll keep it as "women" until I can find decent source. Jpatokal 09:37, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I am a translator of one well-received book and many magazine articles. But I'm not good English speaker as you see. So, I use online dictionaries and help of machine translation for accurate. An online dic say orphan is not only child but also person with no relations. So, I wrote it. Anyway, ordinarily widow is not virgin. Thank you for your help m(_ _)m. Kadzuwo 10:02, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Dou itashimashite. Jpatokal 10:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Schindler's List
User:Cautious: Sex slave has a very specific meaning. Demanding sex as a bribe or payment is not nice, but it's not slavery by any definition of the word. Jpatokal 10:46, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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This seems to be a bit of an 19th century urban legend/fantasy.....

There needs to either be documentation that this is real or marked as a fantasy.

I mean "injecting someone with opium ?????!!!!!"

Roadrunner 16:34, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

In the West, women and children are also abducted to be sex slaves or prostitutes in other countries where white women and children are rare. Forced abductions happen most often at airports, docks, and borders, where it is easier to smuggle the victim out of the country. The victim is often injected with opium to turn her/him into a 'zombie', reducing the victim's will to struggle or escape, and making the victim more suggestible. Once the victim is in another country where laws are less enforced, they are often plced in a training facility or 'sex farm' where they are reconditioned into a life of prostitution, sex slavery, or manual labor. Traits favorable to abductors are : a pretty face, light skin color, light eye color, light hair color. These traits fetch a higher price on the underground 'flesh market'. (See Missing Person)

THIS IS RACIST MISSING PERSON. U ARE HITLER.

That's not racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.180.187 (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Sexual slavery in Nazi concentration camps in World War II
The following "Joy division" is a hoax born in Wiky, in fact the only source of the you division is a fictional book. See article. There fore I removed the following:

The Joy Division were groups of Jewish women in the concentration camps during World War II who were kept for the sexual pleasure of the Nazi guards, as described in Ka-tzetnik 135633's 1955 book, The House of Dolls. The Nazis also selected Polish and Ukrainian women working in forced labor and forced them into brothels.

--Taghawi-Nejad 18:20, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This "Joy division" is pure fictional. There were strong laws in Nazi-Germany to prevent sex between Germans and Jews.

In the pre Civil War United States, there were equally strong laws banning sex between Africans slaves and Europeans. Such laws were broken with impunity, and large numbers of multi-ethnic descendents of every complexion live on today as the result. The Nazi laws forbidding Jewish-German sex as well as the U.S. anti-miscegenation laws were mere show. The essential immorality of such laws winked at people's actual behavior. The state only acted if it were publicly embarrassed.

They sent young women to the front as well.

Modern era bias
Why nothing on dark age slavery, or classical period slavery? We have no reason to doubt ibn Fadlan when he says that the Vikings in Russia used female slave for sex. There's a severe bias in this article towards relatively recent times, and (strangely) there's also a sort of reverse eurocentrism, dealing with Asia and the Americas, but not with Europe's past.--Peter Knutsen 15:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

that's wierd, i dont think europeans had slaves. it was only those asians and outlaw americans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.226.195.85 (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC) it is good they need more sexual slaves and put them in my house

sex slaves
I think sexual slavery is a special type of slavery because a person who was abducted by someone who's intent was to use the person as a sex slave and only as a sex slave is a sex slave because this person is not forced to do manual labor or bring in a profit.


 * Oh.
 * As stated in the above discussion by another unsigned one, most modern slavery is sexual - this is simply because there's no need for people to slave in the fields with the advent of industry asnd machines. Now, I'll keep the Chinese "free-zones" (zones where western companies can do as they please, without government intervention) out of this, as workers are actually paid for working 16 hour days, up to 7 days a week - an immense 50p an hour - but I agree that modern slavery is most sexual only. However, in the past, "sex-slaves" were used for this purpose whenever the "owner" desired, and worked with manual labour at other times. --TVPR 14:47, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Have you read the up-to-date sources? There is a significant number of slaves being imported into countries such as the UK for labour; generally as servants. Google this if you're curious. Zuiram 00:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Slavery in Islam
I think this should be changed to Sexual Slavery in Muslim countries, and not in "Islam" as that is a very POV and innacurate title. Until that title is changed, this article should be under the totally disputed template.Yuber(talk) 15:12, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You are, of course, correct. So rather than having an edit war over which tags we should use, I'm removing all current disputed tags, and rephrasing the Islam bit. I can't really see why I didn't notice it before, though. --TVPR 16:05, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

All together now: ''One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong. . .'' It seems rather POV to make the breakdown of five sections of #Sexual slavery in the past temporal and geographical, while only the sixth is religious. Either #Sexual slavery in Islamic countries needs to be recast as ===Sexual slavery in the Middle East===, since that's what most of the text addresses, or else the other sections should be reworked into ===Sexual slavery in Christian countries=== and ===Sexual slavery in Buddhist and Shintoist countries===. I favor the former course of action. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 21:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Mirv, Islam refers to both the islamic civilization as the religion by that name. It makes sense to have a separate section about sex slavery in islamic countries because islam was the main influencing factor here. --Germen 00:53, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * So may I assume you're going to write up all the juicy details on sex slavery from Mali to Brunei? Zanzibar to Kazakhstan? And I note that you have avoided explaining why the breakdown of that section, and that section alone, should be by religion, when the breakdown everywhere else is by time and geography. (I think I know the answer, but I'd like to hear Germen's explanation.) &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 05:42, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Mirv, until about a century ago, all Muslim-controlled territories had a kind of modified Shari'ah or a mixture of shari'ah and local traditional laws e.g. Pashtun culture and Berber laws. For this reason it makes sense to treat sex slavery in relation to shari'ah in order to describe it. There was more similarity between slavery in e.g. the former sultanate of Tombouctou and the Moghul empire than between slavery in Tombouctou compared with slavery in neighbouring Ashanti.--Germen 17:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Germen is something of an obsessive Islamophobe (they're depressingly common at the moment). He's not interested in arguments, and will stick to his preconceived opinion in the face of any opposition. In this article, he's adding a huge amount of material, most of which has little direct relevance, and which seriously overbalances the text towards the position in Islam. Other editors should try to get through to him using reason, by all means, but be aware that in the end simply editing the article away from his prejudices is likely to be the only solution. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:24, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Mel Etitis, this ad-hominem attack is not according to Wikipedia and administrator standards and as an administrator you should know better. You already have been warned before after a 3RR violation and I am sorry to discover those warnings got unheeded. In order to improve my paragraph as per your suggestions, my paragraph is the best-sourced of the whole article with at least ten authoritative sources. Sexual slavery in past islamic territories was a real, historically acknowledged and well-documented phenomenon and the islamic slave trade from Africa alone was larger than the total European slave trade. The sexual component of this slave trade was notable as at Aran slave markets, female slaves fetched a much higher price than male slaves, which the exception of castrated males which were in very high demand.
 * Last time you removed this paragraph because it was not well-sourced enough according to you. I added sources in order to improve it according to your ideas. So I suggest you try to study primary and secondary sources about islamic slavery before you contribute to this section in order to improve the informational quality of Wikipedia. If you are not qualified to contribute significantly to a section, you are advised to refrain from editing and choose an area in which you are more knowledgeable.
 * Regarding your baseless accusations of islamophobia, I would like to refer to my viewpoint on e.g. Quran only islam. --Germen (Talk | Contribs Netherlands flag small.svg) 10:33, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Germen is something of an obsessive Islamophobe (they're depressingly common at the moment).
 * 1) It wasn't ad hominem, it was a comment on your behaviour here and elsewhere. Your vague threats and warnings are ungrounded in any policy or guideline.
 * 2) That female slaves were more in demand than male soes not imply that they were wanted for sexual purposes; you're speculating, and that isn't allowed. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 13:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) It was ad hominem, because you are not merely commenting on my behaviour, but accusing me of being an islamophobe as well. I would have expected more sophisticated twists than this quite pathetic attempt. Here follows your quote:
 * 1) Check this source.


 * I see that Germen is intent on demonstrating the truth of the comments of mine that so annoyed him; he's simply replacing his addtions to the article without having the courtesy to respond here. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 23:19, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I did respond, too bad you failed to read it.--Germen (Talk | Contribs Netherlands flag small.svg) 11:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have restored the only salvageable section. First of all, duplicating the entire Ma Malakat Aymanukum article here is just confusing and POV since many Muslims interpret Ma Malakat Aymanukum (what one's right hand posseses) as an epithet for one's rightful spouse or fiancee.  Also, there were long sections that had nothing to do with sexual slavery, and many of the claims were unsourced.Heraclius 02:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Heraclius, I agree that the status of slavery an ma malakat is doubted in modern islamic theology. Historically, however, the traditional approach is relevant, so I have added a reference and moved the section to Ma Malakat. I appreciate, however, the constructive way in which you try to improve the quality of Wikipedia by not deleting, but editing. I wish other Wikipedia users would heed your example. --Germen (Talk | Contribs Netherlands flag small.svg) 11:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

removed highly doubtful image

 * 1) eBay doesn't allow sale of human beings or parts thereof.
 * 2) I'm pretty sure slavery is illegal in Germany.
 * 3) No source was provided and I could not find anything about this. Given the furor over human trafficking in Germany, it would be very likely that such an unusual case would have some kind of media coverage, somewhere.

I could be wrong. If this is true and can be sourced, it would make an interesting footnote to the article. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 07:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Jassi was not and is not a property of me. I am the photographer of this and other photos and Jassi has signed a photomodel contract only. I hold all rights on these pictures. On eBay I sold a CD-ROM with these images only. --Raymond de 09:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Modern Day Forced Prostitution/Sexual Slavery in N. America, Europe, Asia
I'm concerned about the section about modern day sexual slavery. Its headings currently read: 1 Modern-day sexual slavery, 1.1 Forced prostitution, 1.2 Sexual slavery in Africa, 1.3 Sexual slavery in the Middle East, and then the next section is 2 Sexual slavery in the past, 2.1 Sexual slavery in North America, etc.

The way this reads from skimming, is that sexual slavery is a thing in Africa and the Middle East, and USED to be a problem in North America, etc. Especially when the first sentence of the North American bit is "In the mid-19th century in the U.S., there was a white slavery scare..."

When I first read this article awhile ago, I'd thought sexual slavery was a thing of the past, and skimming this article served to reinforce that. It wasn't until I read it more thoroughly that I realized it's a modern problem, and that Westernized nations seem to be responsible for the bulk of it.

I think the sections can be reorganized and revamped a bit, but I'm not sure of the best way to do this. For instance, we should have some consistency in the sections. Perhaps "Forced Prostitution" should be its own section, and then a bit for "Sexual slavery in North America, Europe, and Asia" could be added under "Modern-day sexual slavery". Otherwise, a quick scan makes it seem like it's only a problem in Africa and the Middle East.

Also, I think the historical bit about North American slavery should be inverted, first talking about the reality of sexual slavery, then about the "white slavery scare". It shouldn't require a lengthy reading to learn that forced sex was a real problem for black slaves in the United States, and that fact shouldn't be depicted as less relevant than the fact that white people were scared of their wives and children being sold into sexual slavery.

Also, can we move this picture off the talk page? It's really old news now, and distracting to the discussion. Aaronwinborn 15:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

info
In Roald Dahl's book, Going Solo, he describes seeing a boat full of women while on his way to Africa. He is told that these women are being sent to Benito Mussolini to be sex slaves. Please add this into the article.


 * Three points:


 * 1. Who are you?  If you expect us to care about you, give us a name to call you by.  That means getting a user account.  (Hint:  they're free)
 * 2. Why should we do it for you?  Once you get your account, make your own edits.  I have enough on my plate here without doing your work for you.
 * 3. On second thought, don't add it since I'd probably just remove it.  Do you honestly consider Roald Dahl a reliable source on sexual slavery?  I don't.  Are there any specifics of the incident, or is it complete hearsay?  It really doesn't sound like it's worth adding.


 * Respectfully, Kasreyn 05:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

99jonathan's claims
It might have sounded kooky, and needs a lot more fact-checking before being put back up, but there is something to this ex-section:
 * === Sexual slavery in Southeast Asia ===
 * In some countries including Brunei in Southeast Asia freely import sex slaves. Some members of the ruling family partake freely of this due to their immunity from criminal charges. One high profile example of this is when 7 women, some celebrities including Miss USAs Shannon Marketic and Brandi Sherwood, others prostitutes, were flown into the country and forced into prostitution by the royal family. They were forced to do sexual acts with members of the royal family before their 5 week period expired. Shannon Marketic was forced to leave early when the Prince of Brunei determined her, after thorough testing, unfit for prostitution. She later sued the prince, but the suit was thrown out due to the prince's immunity as head of state.

Marketic has indeed filed a lawsuit against a Los Angeles 'talent agency' and certain Brunei royals, relating to the hiring of American women for sexual purposes. -- Perey 11:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The smoking gun is not what I would consider a site qualifying as a reliable source. Can the story be sourced with a link to any other source - preferably one that isn't a salacious scandal rag?  The other problem with 99jonathan's additions are their salivatingly voyeuristic tone, which is completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia.  Come on.  "After thorough testing"???  You can practically hear him drooling as he writes it.  -Kasreyn 13:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh absolutely. It's complete tripe as written. I'm just saying, there was a request for sources, so there's the results of my (let's call following three wikilinks an) "exhaustive" search. ;-) Plus, they have scans, which at least look convincing... but, let's get Google on the case. Asiaweek? CNN? No, wait, they just cite Asiaweek. -- Perey 17:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Weasel Words
Namely in the section: ''Due to the illegal nature of trafficking, the exact extent is unknown. However, we know these crimes are being committed world-wide by organized criminals. Much of this continues to happen due to meek punishments in the court systems. Many criminals accused of slave trafficking have gotten off with community service. It is also persisting, because no one is actually doing anything to stop it. In many countries it is supported rather than discontinued. I'm not disputing what it says, but it needs (a) to be rewritten in a less biased way, such as the we know these crimes...'', and (b) references. It's related to the previous tag of references needed. I've tried to help, but the section needs more careful attention than I've been able to give. - Aaronwinborn 02:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

In 19th century England
Christian History & Biography Issue 90, Spring 2006 has a three page article about the fight against sexual trafficking on pages 43-45. It is primarily in the form of bios of three women, Josephine Butler, Katherine Bushnell, and Florence Booth, wife of William Booth who were active in the campaign against it. But it would certainly let us start the "Europe in the past" sub-section that is completely missing. If I haven't gotten back and built that section in a couple weeks, come tap me on the shoulder. GRBerry 03:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Marriage
It should be mentioned that until relatively recently marriage allowed for a woman to be a sex slave since she had no legal right to refuse sex and a husband could not be prosecuted for raping his wife. There may even still be religious groups that oppose criminalising forced sex in a marriage.

This is main reason say nothing about sex slavery till this age. It was not sex slavery. It was normal. And now women are really free and a man can not demand any sex service even from his wife. This is main reason of growing interest to such things now I think. Qqzzccdd 18:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

This article is not discussing arranged marriages, forced marriages, or rape with in marriage and legality or illegality of such an action. --SelfStudyBuddy 09:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Sexual slavery in East
>Sexual slavery in East and Southeast Asia during World War II When you use the word "slavery", you should prove they were forced by Japanese Government or Armed forces. Can you do this? As long as I understand any accusations about this matter are baseless. Please give us the proof! or Stop propagate the demagogy.

>During World War II, hundreds of thousands of mostly Asian women were recruited into serving the Japanese army as prostitutes,

>euphemistically named "comfort women," in the wartime brothels of Asia during the Japanese occupation of China, This is not unique phenomena in Japanese Army. Even The United States Army had the same system as "comfort women". But nobody can not call it "slavery",far from it. --61.209.169.202 11:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

At least we should indicate both Korean's Recognition & Japanese's Recognition. One side propaganda is not fair.--202.239.229.7 04:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

redirected article, has content that might be worth merging
See this oldid. I've redirected that article to point here, but the content might be useful. — coe l acan — 04:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed move
I propose that the part of this page dealing with modern sex trafficking be moved to, well, :) "Sex Trafficking."

The term sexual slavery is accurate to be sure, and used more as a description of what is occurring as opposed to the term itself. Sethie 21:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Do sexual slavers ever resort to kidnapping?
You know, like an abmush in a dark alley? I read about a scenario where this [almost] happened in a fan fiction, and I was wondering if it ever occurs in real life... --Luigifan 02:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I have read and seen from documentries. Yes it occurs very often.

-Bill-

January, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.201.225 (talk) 00:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Failure to observe NPOV
Ran across this particular page and came to the conclusion that this page needs a serious re-write from numerous failures to observe NPOV, from allowing one's social bias to affect edits to a sentence or two that (regarding Israel in the middle east section) that links to a news artical that does not at all back up the claim made in the initial statement linked to that article. Understandably, this is a very sensitive issue to many folks, but that simply means that maintaining NPOV is all the more important for it. 68.2.34.10 00:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree especially this statement: The term "sex worker" itself is rejected by the advocates of anti-slavery laws, who argue that women cannot choose sex as an economic activity, and claim it is the criminal networks and customer demand that are the driving forces, not economic necessity.

I think everyone is against SLAVERY, perhaps it should be reworded to "anti-prostitution" laws? The wording of that statement seems to be EXTREMELY biased. If you went to Las Vegas and asked the prostitutes if they were anti-SLAVERY, I'm pretty sure they would say yes. Now ask them if they are against prostitution? I doubt it.

As initial poster of this topic I came back some months later to see how this is going, it's getting better, thankfully, but I suspect we may need to keep an eye on this for a bit longer. 68.230.117.77 (talk) 06:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Slavery / sexual slavery in Greater Antilles (Haiti) Duplicate from Talk:Haiti
News article at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88102060&ft=1&f=1

"Author Struggles to Stay Removed from Slave Trade"

"Day to Day, March 11, 2008 · With $50 and a plane ticket to Haiti, one can buy a slave. This was just one of the difficult lessons writer Benjamin Skinner learned while researching his book, A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery." Includes audio interview.

Have not read book but was surprised by lack of mention of slavery / sex slavery in Haiti on wikipedia.

Is this issue wide spread enough to warrant a mention on the Haiti and or the slavery articles?

I have included a copy of the article in case link gets broken. Source is

79.69.99.242 (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Skinner met with slaves and traffickers in 12 different countries, filling in the substance around a startling fact: there are more slaves on the planet today than at any time in human history. Skinner speaks with Anthony Brooks about his experience researching slavery.

Though now illegal throughout the world, slavery is more or less the same as it was hundreds of years ago, Skinner explains. Slaves are still "those that are forced to work under threat of violence for no pay beyond sustenance."

Something disturbing has changed however — the price of a human. After adjusting for inflation, Skinner found that, "In 1850, a slave would cost roughly $30,000 to $40,000 — in other words it was like investing in a Mercedes. Today you can go to Haiti and buy a 9-year-old girl to use as a sexual and domestic slave for $50. The devaluation of human life is incredibly pronounced."

Skinner obtained this specific figure through a very hands-on process. In the fall of 2005, he visited Haiti, which has one of the highest concentrations of slaves anywhere in the world.

"I pulled up in a car and rolled down the window," he recalls. "Someone said, 'Do you want to get a person?'"

Though the country was in a time of political chaos, the street where he met the trafficker was clean and relatively quiet. A tape of the conversation reveals a calm, concise transaction. He was initially told he could get a 9-year-old sex partner/house slave for $100, but he bargained it down to $50.

"The thing that struck me more than anything afterwards was how incredibly banal the transaction was. It was as if I was negotiating on the street for a used stereo."

In the end, he agreed on the price, but told the trader not to make any moves.

"When I was talking to traffickers, I had a principle that I wouldn't pay for human life," he says.

This principle enabled him to keep a certain distance from the system, but not giving in to the temptation to free a suffering human being was an emotionally taxing struggle, he says.

"It's one thing when you are planning an effort like this, this is a work of journalism — I'm not going to interfere with my subjects. It's another thing when you are in an underground brothel in Bucharest, who has this girl with Down Syndrome, who you know is undergoing rape several times a day. When this girl is offered to me in trade for a used car ... I walk away ... it's not an easy thing to do," he says.

At one point, he did violate his principal — helping a mother free her daughter from slavery. He says he does not regret his decision, however, and continues to track her progress through a local NGO in Haiti. She's now in school, he says, and wrote him a letter over Christmas.

Slavery consumes Skinner, he says.

"When I come back to a nice loft in Brooklyn and I have to think about writing this thing — that drove me. I knew that I had to write as compelling a book as possible. This is a life-long commitment for me."

Excerpt: 'A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery' Book Cover Courtesy of Simon and Schuster

Chapter 1: The Riches of the Poor

''For our purposes, let's say that the center of the moral universe is in Room S-3800 of the UN Secretariat, Manhattan. From here, you are some five hours from being able to negotiate the sale, in broad daylight, of a healthy boy or girl. Your slave will come in any color you like, as Henry Ford said, as long as it's black. Maximum age: fifteen. He or she can be used for anything. Sex or domestic labor are the most frequent uses, but it's up to you.''

''Before you go, let's be clear on what you are buying. A slave is a human being who is forced to work through fraud or threat of violence for no pay beyond subsistence. Agreed? Good. You may have thought you missed your chance to own a slave. Maybe you imagined that slavery died along with the 360,000 Union soldiers whose blood fertilized the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment. Perhaps you assumed that there was meaning behind the dozen international conventions banning the slave trade, or that the deaths of 30 million people in world wars had spread freedom across the globe.''

''But you're in luck. By our mere definition, you are living at a time when there are more slaves than at any point in history. If -you're going to buy one in five hours, however, you've really got to stop navel—gazing over things like law and the moral advance of humanity. Get a move on.''

''First, hail a taxi to JFK International Airport. If you choose the Queensboro Bridge to the Brooklyn—Queens Expressway, the drive should take under an hour. With no baggage, you'll speed through security in time to make a direct flight to Port au Prince, Haiti. Flying time: three hours.''

''The final hour is the strangest. After disembarking, you will cross the tarmac to the terminal where drummers in vodou getup and a dancing midget greet you with song. Based on Transportation Security Administration warnings posted in the departure terminal at JFK, you might expect abject chaos at Toussaint L'Ouverture Airport. Instead, you find orderly lines leading to the visa stamp, no bribes asked, a short wait for your bag, then a breeze through customs. Outside the airport, the cabbies and porters will be aggressive, but not threatening. Assuming you speak no Creole, find an English—speaking porter and offer him $20 to translate for the day.''

''Ask your translator to hail the most common form of transport, a tap-tap, a flatbed pickup retrofitted with benches and a brightly colored canopy. You will have to take a couple of these, but they only cost 10 gourdes (25 cents) each. Usually handpainted with signs in broken English or Creole, tap-taps often include the words my god or jesus. my god -it's my life reads one; another announces welcome to jesus. Many are ornate, featuring windshields covered in frill, doodads, and homages to such figures as Che Guevara, Ronaldinho, or reggae legend Gregory Isaacs. The -driver's navigation is based on memory, instinct. There will be no air conditioning. Earplugs are useful, as the sound system, which cost more than the rig itself, will make your chest vibrate with the beats of Haitian pop and American hip-hop. Up to twenty people may accompany you: five square inches on a wooden bench will miraculously accommodate a woman with a posterior the size of a tractor tire. Prepare your spine.''

''You'll want to head up Route de Delmas toward the suburb of Pétionville, where many of the -country's wealthiest thirty families—who control the -nation's economy—maintain a pied—à-terre. As you drive southeast away from the sea, the smells change from rotting fish to rotting vegetables. Exhaust fumes fill the air. You'll pass a billboard featuring a smiling girl in pigtails and the words: Give me your hand. Give me tomorrow. Down with Child Servitude. Chances are, like the majority of Haitians, you -can't read French or Creole. Like them, you ignore the sign.''

''Heading out of the airport, -you'll pass two UN peacekeepers, one with a Brazilian patch, the other with an Argentine flag. As you pass the blue helmets, smile, wave, and receive dumbfounded stares in return. The United Nations also has Jordanians and Peruvians here, parked in APVs fifteen minutes northwest, along the edge of the hyperviolent Cité Soleil slum, the poorest and most densely populated six square miles in the poorest and most densely populated country in the hemisphere. The peacekeepers -don't go in much, neither do the national police. If they do, the gangsters that run the place start shooting. Best to steer clear, although you'd get a cheap price on children there. You might even get offered a child gratis.''

''You'll notice the streets of the Haitian capital are, like the tap—taps, overstuffed, banged up, yet colorful. The road surfaces range from bad to terrible, and grind even the toughest SUVs down to the chassis. Parts of Delmas are so steep that the truck may sputter and die under the exertion.''

''Port au Prince was built to accommodate about 150,000 people, and hasn't seen too many centrally planned upgrades since 1804. Over the last fifty years, some 2 million people, a quarter of the nation's population, have arrived from the countryside. They've brought their animals. Chickens scratch on side streets, and boys lead prizefighting cocks on string leashes. Monstrously fat black pigs root in sooty, putrid garbage piled eight feet high on street corners or even higher in enormous pits that drop off sidewalks and wind behind houses.''

''A crowd swells out of a Catholic church broadcasting a fervent mass. Most Haitians are Catholic. Despite the efforts of Catholic priests, most also practice vodou. In the countryside, vodou is often all they practice.''

The foregoing is excerpted from from the first chapter of A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery by Ben Skinner. All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced without written permission from Simon & Schuster.

Modern-Day Sexual Slavery in Britain
This is not covered in the existing article. I've dug up some references from the BBC, but this should not be considered sufficient as a single source is always potentially unreliable. I have excluded the stories involving Goreans, as that would just confuse the issue. I might write this in, if nobody else wants to, but my writing isn't that great on this kind of stuff.   -- trafficking treaty    -- Personal account -- Personal account -- Rescue operation -- Southwest England  -- Operation Pentameter -- The selling of British Women to other countries -- BBC investigation      

I'll also throw in these links, as they are the key organizations involved. Some are pointed to by the above, but many of the links in the news stories no longer work as given and required a little hunting to find where the pages are now. -- Operation Pentameter 2, Homepage -- UK Human Trafficking Centre -- POPPY Project Helen Bamber Foundation ECPAT UK

Provided substantiating material is found, this should be enough for quite a reasonable write-up. Just be warned that if it is left up to me, the write-up won't be easy to follow and will read about as easily as a quantum physics textbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.216.187.178 (talk) 05:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Various NPOV problems
These will be obvious to most editors well-read in policy. This article and its use of sources displays a strong cultural bias towards western concepts of sex and power, also focusing on a pro-victim advocacy slant. I have started to eliminate some of these biases, but will need help from other editors. forestPIG(grunt) 02:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
Most importantly, the content on the white slavery page is random and patchy, and completely superseded by this page. Secondarily, the term "white slavery" is extremely outdated, and arguably racist (implying that slaves are non-white by definition, and only when they are white must it be specified as unusual - which is of course historically inaccurate). Of course, some would argue other perspectives on the term, but there is no reason to waste time arguing when there is a perfectly good alternate term to use, i.e., "sexual slavery." Vcrs (talk) 03:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge - Per VCRS. Although the term "white slavery" should still be defined in the merged article.  It may be a misnomer, and out of date, but still found in older movies and books.  Atom (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No Merge - Both are discreet topics. White slavery refers to the prostitution of young women and girls in a certain period of British History and an outdated term that was derived from this. Modern day sexual slavery can be defined by modern standards of slavery. White slavery was often consensual by modern standards. forestPIG(grunt) 14:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No Merge - I know what sexual slavery is; I came here precisely because I was interested in the origins and history of this unusual expression. It is of sociological interest as a "moral panic", separate from the concept of sexual slavery. Palindromia (talk) 12:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Semi Merge - It's a seperate historical incident, with a historical term attached, and has significance of a certain people, and perhaps should be linked on this page to the Historical Sexual Slavery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faro0485 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment the Sexual slavery article has significantly moved on since the merger proposal and now has a section on white slavery, which needs some work. On a practical point, its not worth maintaining a own article for white slavery if the content is hardly more than would be in an article section.--SasiSasi (talk) 18:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment – Those who suggest "no merge" should set about the White slavery article to make the distinctions clear. As that article stands today, it is clearly a subset of Sexual slavery and should therefore be reduced to a section of the latter article—GRM (talk) 17:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - The terminology may be not used as much these days, but it does relate & should be then categorized in it's own separate spot (if not only for it's historical aspect). That-Vela-Fella (talk) 17:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge - The white slavery article could easily be incorporated into this one. There is already a section that pretty well covers it. I cannot see a rationale for a separate article as presently written. Sunray (talk) 07:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Result: Merge
Proceeding with merge. Sunray (talk) 07:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Restructuring
This article needs a lot of work, I have tried to restructure the article along those lines The article still needs a lot of work, but i hope the restructuring will help. I will do some work on this in the next couple of weeks, all help welcome.--SasiSasi (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * definition (added some definitions from international documents, still needs work)
 * current legal status (only covers CAH and war crimes, would need something on domestic law, and a historical perspective)
 * Historical (the section needs some cleanup and extension)
 * Sexual slavery in armed conflict and war (needs a summary of the war rape article, linking to other relevant articles such as comfort women)
 * Forced prostitution (the section needs some cleanup and extension)

Cambodia section
The following section was in the article (very long and detailed). I dont have time to work through it now... maybe we can create a own article for sexual slavery in Cambodia??? Anyway, its below, if anybody would like to work on it or move it back into the article.--SasiSasi (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Sex Trafficking in Cambodia Human Security approach as a solution to the problem Human Security Goals
 * 1) To have a more comprehensive concept of security under the Human Security agenda. Combating Sex Slavery and Trafficking as Government Security Priority The Human Security agenda enabled the Cambodia government to have a more comprehensive understanding of national security and make the issue of sex trafficking as a national security priority. Traditional state-centered security was defined narrowly as security of territory from external aggression, and hence under this approach, Cambodia might be regarded as a secure state. On the other hand, human security is a people-centered approach which recognizes a broader scope of the concept of security and that lasting stability cannot be achieved until people are protected from violent threats to their rights, safety or lives. While the women and children who sought security in their daily lives were being neglected under the traditional security paradigm, the human security agenda suggested the government to focus efforts on those who are particularly vulnerable to the threat of sex trafficking.
 * 2) To supplement the inherent incapable Government with the portfolio diversification strategy. While traditionalists regard the state as the primary actor in providing for security, the human security agenda encourages diverse portfolio of actors in providing security, which helped in alleviating the problem of sex trafficking in Cambodia. A state-centered approach would be insufficient and incapable in enhancing personal security of vulnerable children and women in Cambodia due to the following reasons:
 * 3) Corruption and Lax law enforcement of Cambodia's anti-trafficking efforts remained hampered by systemic corruption and an ineffectual judicial system. Although Cambodia is the first country in the world to create a special police task force to fight human trafficking, this Police Anti-trafficking Department has conducted only a limited numbers of proactive investigations. Corruption, lack of training and funding for law enforcement, and a weak judiciary remain the most serious impediments to the effective prosecution of traffickers. There are reports that corrupt police officials continue to leak information to brothel/karaoke operators about upcoming police raids. Moreover, the government provides limited assistance to victim and made modest efforts to promote awareness of sex slavery and trafficking due to limited human and financial resources.
 * 4) Complexity and transnational nature of the problem Unlike some human rights abuses which are primarily regional, sex trafficking is complex and transnational in nature. Victims come from virtually all developing countries and are trafficked into or through virtually all developing and developed countries where demands from wealthy countries keep this criminal industry extremely profitable for traffickers.

Consistency with the portfolio diversification strategy in Cambodia


 * 1) Practical with normative appeal With the above reasons, a portfolio diversification strategy would be needed to deal with this complex and transnational security threat to Cambodia and to supplement the state’s insufficiencies and incapability. This strategy has been practical since to protect vulnerable children and women is normatively appealing and hence attracts help from non-state actors and attention from mass media. The onus of moral responsibility to intervene to protect individual lives was deemed highly acceptable in the eyes of most supporters and hence effectively persuaded publics around the world to provide assistance to these vulnerable children and women in Cambodia.
 * 2) Efforts by diverse portfolio of actors Portfolio diversification strategy has been used in implementing human-focused security policies which would enhance Cambodia’s security through combating the problem of sex trafficking. States like United States and Canada, international organizations (IOs) like the Asia Foundation, United Nations International Children’s Fund, Red Cross, International Labor Organization and International Organization for Migration (“IOM”), and local non-governmental organization, like Cambodian Center for the Protection of Children’s Rights (“CCPCR”) and Cambodian Women’s Development Association, have been exerting pressure and cooperating with the Government of Cambodia in combating sex trafficking.
 * 3) To exert pressure on Government of Cambodia in combating sex slavery and trafficking Cambodia was placed on Tier 3 in the 2005 United States Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report for its lack of progress in combating severe forms of trafficking. Subjected to the international pressure together with supervision from global mass media, the Cambodian Government stepped up efforts to arrest, prosecute, and convict traffickers. Police actions increased over 2006 and the Cambodian Government also made efforts to address trafficking-related official corruption. The Ministry of Interior (MOI) also developed a National Action Plan to eradicate trafficking in persons. In addition, the Cambodian Government made clear progress in its anti-trafficking law enforcement efforts by approving a comprehensive anti-trafficking bill that provides law enforcement and judicial officials with enhanced powers to arrest and prosecute traffickers in 2006.
 * 4) To provide human and financial resources and supplement insufficient Government’s effort Cambodia has a very active domestic and international NGO community working to combat trafficking. Regarding to the lack of human resources and rampant corruption problems, IOs and NGOs cooperated with the Government to conduct training for police officers on investigation techniques, surveillance, and case preparation and management of trafficking cases. Victims are mainly referred to NGOs and IOs and relied primarily on foreign and domestic NGOs to provide protective services to victims. For example, the IOM provides trafficked women and children with long term recovery and reintegration assistance and CCPCR, which provides rescue, rehabilitation and reintegration services to child victims of trafficking. NGOs and IOs also worked with the Government to implemented campaigns in most parts of the country to raise public awareness regarding the dangers of trafficking. For example, the Ministry of Women's Affairs collaborated with the IOM to expand a nationwide anti-trafficking information and advocacy campaign that included district-level meetings with government officials and the distribution of educational materials and videos.
 * 5) International Cooperation Efforts: International treaties Cambodia has made progress in engaging in regional and international cooperation by signing and ratifying important instruments concerning the protection of children from sexual exploitation. In October 2004, Cambodia participated in the Coordinated Mekong Ministerial Initiative Against Trafficking (COMMIT) which is a regional agreement at the government level committing governments to prepare country-specific plans of action. Cambodia also acceded to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) in 1992, and ratified the Optional Protocol on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography (Optional Protocol) in 2002 and ratified ILO Convention No. 182 in 2006.
 * 6) Effectiveness and Sustainability of the efforts In 2005, the Cambodian police reported conducting 67 operations, resulted in the arrest of 111 perpetrators and the rescue of 164 victims. The Ministry of Justice reported the prosecution and conviction of at least 45 traffickers during 2005, double the number in 2004. However, these cases were mostly generated by the efforts of NGOs. In addition, implementation of the policies and commitments of the international treaties has been slow, mainly due to lack of resources, poor law enforcement and corrupt practices. Hence sustainability of these efforts is in question. In long run, the Cambodian Government should put greater effort in building a working judicial system and legal infrastructure to enforce these laws. Moreover, to enhance the sustainability of their anti-trafficking efforts, other states and IOs ought to focus on cooperating with local NGOs and the government departments in order to empower them. Luckily, the Cambodia Government has been quite active in learning from other states and to cooperate with IOs and NGOs.

Contemporary sex slavery and forced prostitution
I have tried to separate the two out. The line is fluent, but I think there is a distinction. Forced Prostitution really deserves its own article, as there is lots more detail that could be added. Having said that, I think this article should always maintain a forced prostitution section and explain how the two link. --SasiSasi (talk) 20:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sexual slavery
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sexual slavery's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Paul": From Islam and slavery: Paul Lovejoy (2000) p.2  From Sexual enslavement by Nazi Germany in World War II: Christa Paul, Zwangsprostitution. Staatlich errichtete Bordelle im Nationalsozialismus (Forced prostitution: bordellos established by the National Socialist State.)  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

fixed--SasiSasi (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Forced prostitution article
I have created an article for forced prostitution. Much of the detail that was in the Forced prostitution section at the end of this article has been moved to Forced prostitution. Once the forced prostitution article is more developed I will add a proper summary into this article.--SasiSasi (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Individual criminal sex slavery
Perhaps a section could be added on unorganized sex slavery. Individual criminals who trick or abduct girls and then hold them for man years. --Heiss93 (talk) 04:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The article does not in principle exclude individuals who abduct or trick girls into sexual slavery. We can add more info on this type of sexual slavery if we find sources. Do you have any in mind or do you know any sources that might be suitable? As it goes finding sources on especially contemporary sexual slavery is not that easy.--SasiSasi (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

History before the arabs
Is there nothing of sex slavery before the arabs, or did it start from there onwards? Faro0485 (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

CLEAN THIS PAGE
I am temporarily disabling the first intro section until someone cleans up up (text SEVERELY overlaps). Thanks69.204.225.103 (talk) 02:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Rape is not slavery
Why is spousal rape, or any sort of rape for that matter, in this article? Rape is not the same as slavery. This cannot be an article about all forms of sexual misconduct. Unless there is some source specifically stating that spousal rape is a form of slavery, this section should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.29.19 (talk) 03:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm trying to read the article and offer my opinion on the issue, so will you stop blanking it while it is still under discussion! -- Boing!   said Zebedee  04:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

If a woman is, during a continuous period of time, in a position of repeatedly not being able to refuse sex, of having lost her sexual autonomy, than it is a form of sexual slavery. This fits the definition of sexual slavery. Read that section, it explains it clearly, and read the whole article. 188.25.225.254 (talk) 04:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've had a read now, and here's my take: Spousal rape is often a situation in which the victim is kept under long-term subjugation for the purpose of non-consensual sex (especially in countries in which women have fewer rights, either legal or practical, than in the Western world), and it is rarely a single event (see ref 44: "such instances are rarely a one-off, but a repeated if not frequent occurance"). So I think that fits the definition of Sexual Slavery quite well, and I don't think a reference that explicitly says so is needed. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  04:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is simply not clear. A source certainly is needed. Unless there is a source, the claim that spousal rape is sexual slavery is original research. A direct relationship is needed between the two topics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.29.19 (talk) 04:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not OR to use the definition of a term, and I think the definition of "Sexual Slavery" itself is sufficient to cover at least some cases of spousal rape. Long-term subjugation of a person for the purpose of non-consensual sex (which is what many spousal rape marriages are) seems to me to be sexual slavery by definition. If you could offer some rationale for why it isn't, I think that might help to advance your case. Also, on a procedural note, if you think a section of an article is insufficiently referenced, it should be tagged accordingly rather than deleted. If the consensus here is that additional refs are needed, I'll be happy to do that tagging. (PS: You should sign off your contributions by adding four tilde characters, "~", which will be replaced by your id and the time). -- Boing!   said Zebedee  04:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * One problem is that, in societies where the husband is entitled to sex with his wife, this would by definition not be considered slavery. So in Rome women were not considered slaves, although their legal status according to some modern scholars was not too unlike slaves. In that time the idea of a wife being in a state of slavery would simply have been rejected. Another problem is that it is possible that a woman returns again and again to an abusive husband who rapes her. (Some such women suffer from psychological problems.) In that situation it seems questionable whether there is "slavery" per se or simply repeated sexual assault.
 * Personally, I do not have any specialized knowledge of human trafficking or slavery, but I had never heard the term "sexual slavery" used to describe spousal rape until now. This article seems to focus entirely on chattel slavery and human trafficking, except for the section on spousal rape.
 * I do notice now that much of what is in the section on this page is not in the main article. Since the section is supposed to be a summary, I will copy the missing material to the main page. 71.187.29.19 (talk) 05:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, relativism is a tricky area to get into, as morals and laws change with time and place. As far as possible, I think we have to stick with modern usage of the term for currently classification, but in historical articles should consider it in the context of the laws and morals of the time and place. But then that's tricky too, as current usage and meaning will be different in different societies at the same time. Adding the extra material to the main article does sound like a good idea though. Maybe the section here needs some rewriting to place the main article in context rather than just as a summary, and maybe it does need additional citations? -- Boing!   said Zebedee  06:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I should add that I have heard the term "slavery" used to describe societies in which women cannot (either legally or practically) get out of unwanted marriages, but I'm not sure it was in a notable context -- Boing!   said Zebedee  06:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

User:71.187.29.19: It is very clear. I'm sorry you don't understand it. And you can't remove a whole section without consensus, and you have no consensus right now.188.25.225.254 (talk) 04:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless there are any sources, I think this is an example of WP:SYN. It implies that spousal rape is a form of slavery, and though many may agree, that is a synthesized conclusion. Editors are not supposed to imply conclusions not stated in any reputable source, even if those opinions are very strongly held convictions. We do not interpret or imply any new conclusion. My personal reaction as someone who has read a bit of the literature on slavery is that this does not satsify the definition (see Orlando Patterson).—Othniel Kenaz 22:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Free Love from the category groups
Free love is the exact opposite of sexual slavery. "Free" and "slavery" don't go together. Why sexual slavery is included in the category group I have no idea, but I'm going to fix that right now ````User:Eman91 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.22.245.150 (talk) 01:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Meaningless sentence in introduction
"It is most common in areas such as Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East." First of all, "the Middle East" is in Asia and arguably Africa. Second of all, the above listing includes MOST OF THE EARTH--most of the people on Earth live in Asia, for that matter.

Can that be replaced by something which contains actual information? Note that, although I didn't tag it, it's also unreferenced. I'm not an expert and can't speak with authority on where sexual slavery is really found, but that's just a non-useful sentence. CarlFink (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

/* Sexual slavery in the United States v2 */
Added new information on sex slavery in USA - courtesy TIP report released 6/14 by US Dept. of State. Sourcing information was not included, as I couldn't get the formatting to work well. If this becomes an issue, please find sources from http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2010/142761.htm

Thesocialearth (talk) 18:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

fixed the sourcing errors, should be fine now
Thesocialearth (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

In World War 2 did the Allies practice any forced sex?
Was wondering, as the article just covers the badguys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.111.165.230 (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)