Talk:Sexual violence in the Tigray War

Does this article count?
Note -- the OP started this conversation on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Meetup/186#Does_this_article_count? WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/186 talkpage]. It should be on this talk page. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC) Should I list sexual violence in the Tigray War 04:00, 1 February 2021‎ in my list here? This is not literally articles addressing the works or achievements of African women, it's quite the opposite, it's an article addressing widespread and systematic war crimes against African women and girls (I haven't noticed reports of male victims), possibly crimes against humanity or genocide, although that might take years to be determined legally. Filsan Abdullahi, a Minister in the federal Ethiopian government, has started investigations into these. Boud (talk) 02:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Boud does this include Amhara women who were raped by Tigray TPLF regional male soldiers?Clownshking (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Currently the article is quite out of date, and there are very few attributions of the perpetrators, despite many of the recent sources attributing many rapes to the EDF. Any well-sourced information of rape of Amhara girls, women, boys and/or men by TPLF soldiers of any male/female/LGBTQ gender should be added to the article; the same goes for any ethnicity of the victims. Some of the participants in WikiProject Women may quite likely keep an eye on the article to make sure that it is properly sourced and NPOVed. The most useful information will be on investigations, support groups for the victims, compensation, and/or legal cases. Yikono is one support group, but most likely there are others too. Boud (talk) 12:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The article is majority authored by you since started and are the majority editor of the article. So far the article is not NPOV. Seems has a bias against EDF mostly and Amhara people. Doesn’t mention the epidemic of rape in Tigray prior to the war. Does not mention TPLF releasing 10,000 hardened criminals and providing them with EDF uniforms and guns. The article is suspiciously written from the POV of TPLF propaganda in this war. And yes the Western media is duplicitous and not neutral in the coverage of the war.Clownshking (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * To get back to the main topic of this page: if you propose some names of notable Amhara women with brief descriptions of why they are notable and preferably at least one URL, then one of the other volunteers participating here might be inspired to create articles on these Amhara women. You could also read WP:CREATE and start the article yourself in WP:DRAFT space until you feel ready to create articles directly. Boud (talk) 16:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Claims of intent
Currently the section on "Claims of intent" includes a quote by Prime Minister Abiy (a living person) in which he jokes about sexual violence in the battle of Adwa and the Eriterian war in a January 2019 speech. The Tigray war started in November 2020. While Abiy's remarks are appalling I'm not sure if they demonstrate his "intent" to use rape as a weapon in a war that would happen more than a year later. And the part about the remarks constituting an "endorsement" of rape also seems to be tenuous.

If Abiy did endorse and weaponize rape then we should find better and stronger sources to make that claim.VR talk 14:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The war was of course under preparation since more than a year, and Abiy was famous for such hate speeches since years. Remember the 'daytime hyenas". I'll try to find time tomorrow to read the article again, there are other examples in it of Abiy joking about+minimising rape in Tigray.Rastakwere (talk) 18:28, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The paragraph was unclear and somewhat problematic, I agree. I've reworded it to make it clearer that this is an interpretation by Nyssen and colleagues of a generic statement by Abiy in relation to sexual violence in wars in Tigray. While the section title says "intent", I think that if the beginning of the paragraph immediately nuances this to be more specific and match Nyssen et al's statement, then it should be acceptable. The reader sees Nyssen+'s interpretation of "a comment" briefly, reads the quote itself, and then gets more detail of Nyssen+'s interpretation. The reader is given a fair chance to make his/her own interpretation. Feel free to improve the wording further. Boud (talk) 03:57, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Possible source
This VOA News article could maybe be used in this article. Amnesty Report Details Accounts of Rape by Tigrayan Forces in Ethiopia’s Amhara Region. Platonk (talk) 06:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)