Talk:Sexy Beast

Big rabbit
Someone please interpret the rabbit. I'm not sure what the hell that is about.
 * I think it's a recurring nightmare that Gal has. Grant | Talk 01:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

He was hunting rabbits, but then he becomes hunted by a rabid pyschopath -- Horkana 04:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Which only makes removal of references to the "Big Rabbit" that more egregious. TheDoctorX (talk) 03:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Aitch
Isn't Ray Winstone's pal called "H" rather than "Aitch"? I assumed that "H" was short for something but of course I could be wrong. Is "Aitch" a name? Dr Spam (MD) 09:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wondered about that myself when I first saw it. But IMDB says the character is called "Aitch". I guess it's an quirky/jokey rendition of "H". Grant  |  Talk  06:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Title?
Where does the title come from? Is it the name of the sauna from which they do the burglary? Tomixdf 19:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Security code
Harry gives Bass the vault's security code after having sex with him? When does that happen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.206.77 (talk) 10:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't. Bass pretends to be a customer and puts a pack of cigarretes in a safety desposit box to get a look at the vault. The voice-over states that Harry is just showing off how impregnable his bank is. I changed the wording in the article. -Captain Crawdad (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Reviews
Why, yet again, for a british film or album, are all the review references US Publications? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.53.149 (talk) 00:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably because no British people have stepped up with references from their local reviewers yet. Perhaps you have some? -Captain Crawdad (talk) 04:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Unreliable source?
The source for the film's high rating from the magazine Total Film ( http://www.thebestofmovies.com/TotalFilm50GreatestBritish.html ) doesn't seem like a reliable source. For one, the site counter on the list is very low, and other than the url it doesn't really cite where the list is coming from (list is also missing the last entry), or when the list came out. GAdam (talk) 04:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Plot summary problems
The plot summary here seems to overstep what can be inferred from watching the film.

"Though Bass has realised the truth about Logan's murder, he does not care enough to retaliate by killing Dove. Instead, he forces Dove to forfeit his share of the loot and banishes him from London."

Not one thing here can be supported from the film. --Otheus (talk) 18:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is supported, it's abundantly clear from Bass's murder of Harry, his prevailing mood towards Gal, and specifically from his last words. What other possible meaning could you put on Bass's last words? None. He killed Harry specifically to demonstrate to Gal that he would have killed him too if he'd cared at all about the death of Don. And in fact he still would kill Gal, if Gal dares to complain about only being paid ten quid for the robbery. It is a matter of rogue's honour. Like Butch and Marcellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Gal and Bass are now square, but all Gal's London privileges are now revoked, and his utopian villa in Spain will now be less a paradise and more of a bolthole, not even guaranteed safe anymore. Nightmares of 'losing everything' will now haunt Gal forever. Likeamanshand (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Who played the Evil Rabbit guy?
He's not listed in the credits, strangely enough. Does anyone know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.102.96 (talk) 00:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Big Rabbit
For want of a better name, as this Talk indicates he is an important symbolic character and mention of him requires retention.

Plot Detail Corrections
Removal of correction of details need justification HERE. Kindly discuss before removing corrections. TheDoctorX (talk) 03:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Character Section
Tried to condense it by removing information already in the Plot and/or not really necessary for a brief description. Please indicate reasons for adding more information--why it is important. TheDoctorX (talk) 05:09, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Get a 'Ead, Gal! It's a Most Foul and Viscous Bunny!
To avoid multi-edits and reverts, the "Bunny Headed Guy" obviously has devilish qualities, so I propose the identification of "Devil Rabbit" if anyone wishes to edit to be specific. To call him a "Devil" as suggested by a previous editor removes the connection to the rabbit hunt. I concede that just identifying him as a "terrifying rabbit" does not include the clearly "devilish" aspects of the dream-apparition.

Sooooooo. . . if people have objections, put them HERE, discuss them, consensus, and everyone is happy in Gal's New Pool! ^^, TheDoctorX (talk) 08:21, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Did it really make $40m at the box office?
The link in the article to Box Office Mojo says the film made $10m worldwide.

That is also backed up by a similar figure at https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Sexy-Beast#tab=summary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.144.134 (talk) 14:35, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I find it unlikely too. I'm taking care of this, until someone provides other sources. Punkalyptic (talk) 00:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Plot edits
TheDoctorX, the version of the plot you're continually adding still has lots of problems. Here are some of them in detail:


 * Ipse dixit, but incorrect. TheDoctorX (talk)


 * Gal has a dream of a man with a terrifying rabbit's head that appears like a Devil's head This is wordy.


 * No, it is accurate. Your change not only fails to improve, it proves incorrect. See the Talk on the matter above. TheDoctorX (talk)


 * After an unsuccessful hunt in which he and his friends fail to bag a rabbit This says the hunt was unsuccessful, but also that they don't catch anything. In other words, it says the same thing twice. Why write this when "After an unsuccessful rabbit hunt" has all the same information?


 * We did not put in the former. TheDoctorX (talk)


 * Well, for the record, yes you did. You removed "unsuccessful" later, but it's still wordy. Popcornduff (talk) 04:00, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The scene cuts with DeeDee aiming a shotgun at Don who merely looks at her with hate. First, "The scene cuts with" describes the film's editing, not its plot. Second, "looks at her with hate" is your personal interpretation (see WP:OR).


 * There is no other apt description of the look she gives with the gun. Is it "love?" "Confusion?" "Contemplation of the level of support she has for Sparkle Motion? No. Do see the reference you parrot. TheDoctorX (talk)


 * Shifting back to the villa prior to Gal's trip to London... Again, this describes editing and is unnecessarily complex.


 * The changes in time and narrative are part of plot. Ignoring this causes confusion. TheDoctorX (talk)


 * Back in the car, Bass offers, "If I cared, Gal. If I fucking cared. If I gave a solitary fuck about Don Logan!" then "Spain, eh? I must drop in sometime. Pay my respects." A plot summary is not the place to quote stretches of dialogue.


 * "What we've got here is . . . a failure to communicate!" Significant lines are appropriate. That is not "long" either. TheDoctorX (talk)

Please reconsider your edits, and remember that plot summaries should be concise, as per WP:PLOT. Popcornduff (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Please consider your edits with an objective view rather than the upset that you are wrong and have been correcte per WP:PLOT. TheDoctorX (talk) 19:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Initially, you wrote your responses here directly into my thread, which made it look like I wrote them, not you. I'm sure this was an accident, and I fixed it for you, but in future talk page discussions, it would be great if you could indent your responses and sign them properly. You can read more about this at WP:THREAD Thanks.


 * Anyway. I originally wrote out responses to each of your arguments here, but I'll hold back from posting them because I think there are probably some bigger obstacles we need to get past first. I really think you ought to go and read WP:FILMPLOT and WP:PLOTSUM thoroughly, as they plainly contradict you. I would like to draw your attention to these parts in particular:


 * "Events in the film do not have to be written in the order in which they appear on screen. If necessary, reorder the film's events to improve understanding of the plot."
 * "The plot summary is an overview of the film's main events, so avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail."


 * Your version also contains unnecessary colour and detail, such as the Spanish villa, the fact that DeeDee is a retired porn star, excessive description ("smiles and laughs", "looks with hate" etc). For information about that, see WikiProject_Film/Style_guidelines/Copy-editing_essentials. Popcornduff (talk) 04:00, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

--- I extended an "Olive Branch" to Popcornduff since, despite my best efforts, I may have fallen victim to the "U edit ME, NO! I edit U!!" Syndrome.

I do not agree with all of his criticisms, but I see some of his points. So. . . taking a breather. . . backing off, and NOT re-editing I will address a few points he mentioned in his latest response:

1. DeeDee: being a former porn-star is important because Don uses it against Gal. Outside of a Wiki Article, it also demonstrates Gal's devotion to her--he does not care. I do not suggest to add that to the summary.


 * Your version doesn't describe how Don uses the fact against Dal, or that Gal is devoted to DeeDee. It's just thrown in as a seemingly random fact, with no relevance to anything. Popcornduff (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

2. Plot Shifts are kind of important to avoid confusion. The movie shifts between "past" and "present"--from Gal's perspective--as part of the plot. Again, not for the actual article, but the viewer has to wonder why, suddenly, Gal is in London willing to do the job he fought against for much of the movie.


 * As I keep pointing out, as WP:FILMPLOT says, we don't have to keep summaries in non-chronological order where it's simpler to write them chronologically. My version is simpler. Popcornduff (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

3. Look with Hate! I do understand Popcornduff's objection since such descriptions can be completely the opinion of the viewer/editor. Though in the specific case of DeeDee pointing a shotgun at Don--and [Again, not for the article!] we later learn she shoots him--I am not sure how else to describe her expression. She does point it at him with determination/hate. Again, NOT for the article, she is at that time the only one to stand up against him.


 * We can just say she shoots him. Hateful facial expressions etc are not an important part of the plot. You're focusing too much on small details, like writing out dialogue, that aren't relevant to a concise summary. Popcornduff (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I will leave it at that. I DO ask him to make suggestions to make the article better. Just as an aside, there was a discussion ABOVE on how to describe the "Bunny." I reverted to that since it seemed the easiest.

"No!No!No!No!No!No!No! NO!" :P TheDoctorX (talk) 10:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Orgy
I removed from the article a claim, which seems to be accepted by a few people on this page, that Teddy Bass (Ian Macshane) "has sex with" James Fox at the Bishops Avenue orgy.

He certainly doesn't do so on screen (whatever Teddy Bass tells his second-in-command afterwards, the orgy is shown as a rather tame affair in which everybody sits around looking rather bored and blasé) and I'm not sure how it's even necessarily implied in their "Men or women?" "Oh, definitely" exchange.

Afterwards we see Teddy Bass shouting and screaming to himself in the shower, but that is surely to show us that under his suave exterior he is a hungry, nasty bit of work who has just realised that he's stumbled across a potential big job.Paulturtle (talk) 20:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)