Talk:Shabda

The Holy Spirit, Logos and...
I removed a boldly misleading phrase from this article that is so dishonest that I simply could not leave it in. Apparently, according to the person who composed the section and without any documentation or reference to support his assertions - "Word" and "Holy Spirit" and Logos are all the same. The author furthermore equates all three of these factors with Naam. I removed this as it is not true. It may appear very entertaining to collapses rich and complicated elements of extremely divergent religious traditions into one single concept. However in order to accomplish this the process should be ethical and factually based. I would like to see some documentation inserted by the author to support his radical theses. It should also be set forth as something to be proven and not part of a list of given facts. This is very manipulative of the reader and very misleading. The Holy Spirit is a facet of the Supreme God in the Christian faith and can not be likened to Naam. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are all one single Being. This can be likened to the three sides of a cube which although distinct from one another are all integral parts of the cube. Or it can likened to the three roles of a man, father, son and husband. Although these are distinct roles, yet they can all remain part of one single being. Since the Holy Spirit is inseparable from God or from Jesus, how can he be Naam? Although it is the Holy Spirit which imparts the manifold gifts which can lead to sainthood, miracles and spiritual gifts such as the speaking of tongues, the Holy Spirit is not primarily associated with sound, (whether originating from within or without) with prayer or with chanting. So I don't see the connection to Naam or Shabd. Since He IS God Himself, He can not be likened to the mere heightened states of awareness brought on by spiritual practices of other religions, however transcendental or favorable such states may be. In theory, he may be the originator of such states in other religions. But that is not what the author of the article has asserted. As regards the author's comments on the Word, in Christianity, the Word refers to Jesus, who is identified as the incarnation of the Word of God. The Book of John tells us: In the beginning was the Word... Such statements that have been proposed in this article reflect a serious lack of investigation into the other religions which the author has attempted to synthesize.

Merge Inner Sound into Shabd
The term Shabd is in widespread usage among several historical and contemporary Light and Sound Paths, e.g., Sant Mat and Surat Shabd Yoga, to represent the spiritual principle of "the Essence of the Absolute Supreme Being." The term Inner Sound is one of several English synonym phrases, along with "Sound Current" and "Audible Life Stream." Consequently, I propose merging the Inner Sound article into the Shabd article with a redirect from there to here. &mdash; RDF talk 15:00, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Done.   &mdash; RDF talk 04:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

This article is making good progress; thanks to RDF. 01:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC) Sevadar.


 * Thanks. Usually, only the first reference to an article is wikilinked.  Also, an article usually is not added to the "See also" list if it is wikilinked in the body.    &mdash; RDF talk 02:39, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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