Talk:Shadbelly

There is a dreadful tendency in American English to call ANY type of formal dress a "tuxedo". Worse still - a "tux". However, the dinner jacket (British English for tuxedo) is derived from the lounge suit or smoking jacket. It has no historical relationship to the dress coat/tailcoat/swallowtail coat/shadbelly whatsoever. A dinner jacket is not a dress coat (see tailcoat) without tails - that is a Spencer jacket aka a mess jacket.

There are a wide variety of types of formal dress and "informal dinner clothes" ie a dinner suit is one of these. Yet, many Americans call any type of formal dress for any occasion a "tux". Even daytime formal dress is called a "tux" by many. Traditionally, Americans also had proper divisions and names for different types of formal dress rather than just calling absolutely everything a "tux".

Sator —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sator (talk • contribs) 07:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, we're cretans. I admit it!  LOL!  I'm rephrasing the article  bit to make the terminology clear but to keep to the point of the shadbelly.   At least horse people don't call it a "tux."   Montanabw (talk) 06:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)